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Where is this negativity coming from? No claim is made that the factors they lay out are the only important ones. I'm sure they assume many of the user experie

by huangm 17y ago

Where is this negativity coming from? No claim is made that the factors they lay out are the only important ones. I'm sure they assume many of the user experience differences are well-understood, and they are just laying out the costs.

potatolicious 17y ago
What's the top 3/4 of the chart doing there if this is the case? The majority of the chart is pure spec-sheet comparison, and of little relevance if the purpose is a cost comparison.
- wglb 17y ago
  It seems to be a feature comparison, which I think non-geeks would look for as well.
  - potatolicious 17y ago
    That's kind of my point - it's spec-sheet shopping... which consumers have proven to not really give a hoot about. The iPhone didn't take its swathe of market share because it had better specs (God knows it didn't), it won by user experience, something no spec sheet will ever reveal. IMHO this sort of comparison is pointless - it appears on the surface to be relevant, but in our experience we have seen that consumers will base buying decisions on far more subjective parameters. It's really out of touch with what the general buying public looks for when buying such a device. Take the battery life data for example: hand a phone shopper two smartphones and let them play with it. How much weight do you think he/she would place on a 250h vs. 300h standby time? Compared to how slick/snappy the UI is? Compared to how intuitively they can get around? The focus on spec-sheet comparisons IMHO is missing the forest for the trees.
    - whatusername 17y ago
      You want a real end-user comparison? How do the facebook apps on each phone compare?
      - houseabsolute 17y ago
        iPhone's is miles ahead, darling.
        wglb 17y ago
        Whoa. A little familiar there. I only have android--curious what additional features iPhone has for facebook?
        houseabsolute 17y ago
        There's another thread on this same topic about how a mere feature list doesn't capture the experience of using an app. It's faster and prettier, for one thing, it has a friends list that is browsable like the iPhone contacts app -- the Android friends list is just a flat list where you cannot jump from place to place easily, so if you want to scroll to z it's going to take a while. You can't handle requests or send Facebook messages with the Android app as far as I can tell, nor even read your inbox. But a mere list of features doesn't capture the entire difference.
    - pyre 17y ago
      > The iPhone didn't take its swathe of market share because it had better specs (God knows it didn't), it won by user experience, something no spec sheet will ever reveal. It still had a base level of features that it needed to gain popularity, and user experience is not everything. If you need feature X and the iPhone doesn't have feature X then it is worthless to you regardless of how great the rest of the user-experience may be. > Take the battery life data for example: hand a phone shopper two smartphones and let them play with it. How much weight do you think he/she would place on a 250h vs. 300h standby time? Compared to how slick/snappy the UI is? Compared to how intuitively they can get around? People 'flocked' to get the Motorola Razr because it looked slick, that doesn't make it a good phone. Most people make impulse buys. How many people do you think bother to look at anything more than 'how many megapixels does it have?' when they want a new digital camera? Things like battery life are always going to be secondary considerations because people (in general) are very poor at planning ahead and making careful, considered choices. Things like that will (most of the time) end up as complaints about the phone after they have purchased it. Now I realize that most people (even after contemplation) may not want/need that extra 50 hours, but there is a difference between ending up with what you wanted and/or needed due to blind luck or due to weighing of your choices with your wants and/or needs.
- rythie 17y ago
  you can only compare the cost in a meaningful way if you know the product features are similar, otherwise it's a apples and oranges comparison.
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by huangm 17y ago

potatolicious 17y ago

What's the top 3/4 of the chart doing there if this is the case? The majority of the chart is pure spec-sheet comparison, and of little relevance if the purpose is a cost comparison.

wglb 17y ago
It seems to be a feature comparison, which I think non-geeks would look for as well.
- potatolicious 17y ago
  That's kind of my point - it's spec-sheet shopping... which consumers have proven to not really give a hoot about. The iPhone didn't take its swathe of market share because it had better specs (God knows it didn't), it won by user experience, something no spec sheet will ever reveal. IMHO this sort of comparison is pointless - it appears on the surface to be relevant, but in our experience we have seen that consumers will base buying decisions on far more subjective parameters. It's really out of touch with what the general buying public looks for when buying such a device. Take the battery life data for example: hand a phone shopper two smartphones and let them play with it. How much weight do you think he/she would place on a 250h vs. 300h standby time? Compared to how slick/snappy the UI is? Compared to how intuitively they can get around? The focus on spec-sheet comparisons IMHO is missing the forest for the trees.
  - whatusername 17y ago
    You want a real end-user comparison? How do the facebook apps on each phone compare?
    - houseabsolute 17y ago
      iPhone's is miles ahead, darling.
      - wglb 17y ago
        Whoa. A little familiar there. I only have android--curious what additional features iPhone has for facebook?
        houseabsolute 17y ago
        There's another thread on this same topic about how a mere feature list doesn't capture the experience of using an app. It's faster and prettier, for one thing, it has a friends list that is browsable like the iPhone contacts app -- the Android friends list is just a flat list where you cannot jump from place to place easily, so if you want to scroll to z it's going to take a while. You can't handle requests or send Facebook messages with the Android app as far as I can tell, nor even read your inbox. But a mere list of features doesn't capture the entire difference.
  - pyre 17y ago
    > The iPhone didn't take its swathe of market share because it had better specs (God knows it didn't), it won by user experience, something no spec sheet will ever reveal. It still had a base level of features that it needed to gain popularity, and user experience is not everything. If you need feature X and the iPhone doesn't have feature X then it is worthless to you regardless of how great the rest of the user-experience may be. > Take the battery life data for example: hand a phone shopper two smartphones and let them play with it. How much weight do you think he/she would place on a 250h vs. 300h standby time? Compared to how slick/snappy the UI is? Compared to how intuitively they can get around? People 'flocked' to get the Motorola Razr because it looked slick, that doesn't make it a good phone. Most people make impulse buys. How many people do you think bother to look at anything more than 'how many megapixels does it have?' when they want a new digital camera? Things like battery life are always going to be secondary considerations because people (in general) are very poor at planning ahead and making careful, considered choices. Things like that will (most of the time) end up as complaints about the phone after they have purchased it. Now I realize that most people (even after contemplation) may not want/need that extra 50 hours, but there is a difference between ending up with what you wanted and/or needed due to blind luck or due to weighing of your choices with your wants and/or needs.
rythie 17y ago
you can only compare the cost in a meaningful way if you know the product features are similar, otherwise it's a apples and oranges comparison.

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