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Unfortunately, they chose to support 99.9(999?)% of existing USB cables instead.

melling 11y ago
You can always make that argument. If you want progress, you need to Think Different. Intel and Microsoft have enough muscle to get 100 million PC's shipped in 12 months wth a new standard. Of course, no one said that they only have to ship USB-C.
- WorldWideWayne 11y ago
  I guess if you think that walled gardens and locked down platforms are "progress", then you really are thinking differently because you have to basically swallow that pill if you want to enjoy the occasional hardware progress that is seen with fruitier companies. Of course real progress, to me, means that there is a good standard and everybody uses it. Remember when cell phones all had their own type of charging adapter? I'm so happy now that most manufacturers use micro-usb. Everybody except Apple of course because they're always too busy trying to invent something that will keep you locked in.
  - melling 11y ago
    I'm sorry, I guess by referring to Apple I confused the point. You went off on some pointless irrelevant rant. How about I mention Google instead? http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2478157,00.asp http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2478157,00.asp http://www.androidcentral.com/google-says-look-out-more-usb-c-chromebooks-and-android-phones http://www.androidcentral.com/google-says-look-out-more-usb-... USB-C is an open standard that is not controlled by Apple.
    - WorldWideWayne 11y ago
      Oh no, "melling" thinks my response was pointless and irrelevant - what to do? Does anyone else find it hilarious that this is coming from a guy who cares about USB-C which is largely pointless and irrelevant in this thread? You got all the responses and downvotes that you deserve.
      - melling 11y ago
        It is irrelevant this year. Next year it'll ship on tens of millions of PC's. It's certainly not a deal breaker but it would have been a nice to have this year on a small form factor device. It also doubles the throughput of the older standard. It's a $1500 device so people who buy it will probably be using it in 4-5 years. I'd rather spend $20 on an adapter cable now and be able to support the better standard next year.
        WorldWideWayne 11y ago
        So you'll get it next year then. I don't get why you have to be a prick about it though by saying that Apple or Google are somehow "more progressive" and then turn around and call someone else's response irrelevant and pointless when you just admitted that your entire concern is basically irrelevant right now.
        melling 11y ago
        Next year is 3 months away. Who wants to drop $1500 and buy a new device in 12 months?
        WorldWideWayne 11y ago
        Because no devices require USB-C yet? Regular USB stuff isn't going to just disappear, so it's really not that big a deal. It's like not having a bluray drive or a 3d-tv screen - nobody cares.
        melling 11y ago
        Here, maybe if you hear it from Microsoft? http://www.techinsider.io/microsoft-usb-c-2015-10 http://www.techinsider.io/microsoft-usb-c-2015-10
        WorldWideWayne 11y ago
        If I hear them talking about USB-C is it going to magically cause 99% of regular USB devices to disappear in three months? No. I'm sure Surface 5 devices will have USB-C in 12-16 months when people actually start caring about USB-C.
- deciplex 11y ago
  And it's always a good argument, especially for a series of standards that have always depended on vendor buy-in to proliferate, rather than solid design. Just because USB-C is the first USB not to absolutely suck, doesn't mean manufacturers ought to fall head over heels to put them in new devices, considering the countless existing devices that use the old, shitty connectors we got stuck with because the standards body couldn't get its act together.

You can always make that argument. If you want progress, you need to Think Different. Intel and Microsoft have enough muscle to get 100 million PC's shipped in 12 months wth a new standard. Of course, no one said that they only have to ship USB-C.

WorldWideWayne 11y ago
I guess if you think that walled gardens and locked down platforms are "progress", then you really are thinking differently because you have to basically swallow that pill if you want to enjoy the occasional hardware progress that is seen with fruitier companies. Of course real progress, to me, means that there is a good standard and everybody uses it. Remember when cell phones all had their own type of charging adapter? I'm so happy now that most manufacturers use micro-usb. Everybody except Apple of course because they're always too busy trying to invent something that will keep you locked in.
- melling 11y ago
  I'm sorry, I guess by referring to Apple I confused the point. You went off on some pointless irrelevant rant. How about I mention Google instead? http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2478157,00.asp http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2478157,00.asp http://www.androidcentral.com/google-says-look-out-more-usb-c-chromebooks-and-android-phones http://www.androidcentral.com/google-says-look-out-more-usb-... USB-C is an open standard that is not controlled by Apple.
  - WorldWideWayne 11y ago
    Oh no, "melling" thinks my response was pointless and irrelevant - what to do? Does anyone else find it hilarious that this is coming from a guy who cares about USB-C which is largely pointless and irrelevant in this thread? You got all the responses and downvotes that you deserve.
    - melling 11y ago
      It is irrelevant this year. Next year it'll ship on tens of millions of PC's. It's certainly not a deal breaker but it would have been a nice to have this year on a small form factor device. It also doubles the throughput of the older standard. It's a $1500 device so people who buy it will probably be using it in 4-5 years. I'd rather spend $20 on an adapter cable now and be able to support the better standard next year.
      - WorldWideWayne 11y ago
        So you'll get it next year then. I don't get why you have to be a prick about it though by saying that Apple or Google are somehow "more progressive" and then turn around and call someone else's response irrelevant and pointless when you just admitted that your entire concern is basically irrelevant right now.
        melling 11y ago
        Next year is 3 months away. Who wants to drop $1500 and buy a new device in 12 months?
        WorldWideWayne 11y ago
        Because no devices require USB-C yet? Regular USB stuff isn't going to just disappear, so it's really not that big a deal. It's like not having a bluray drive or a 3d-tv screen - nobody cares.
        melling 11y ago
        Here, maybe if you hear it from Microsoft? http://www.techinsider.io/microsoft-usb-c-2015-10 http://www.techinsider.io/microsoft-usb-c-2015-10
        WorldWideWayne 11y ago
        If I hear them talking about USB-C is it going to magically cause 99% of regular USB devices to disappear in three months? No. I'm sure Surface 5 devices will have USB-C in 12-16 months when people actually start caring about USB-C.
deciplex 11y ago
And it's always a good argument, especially for a series of standards that have always depended on vendor buy-in to proliferate, rather than solid design. Just because USB-C is the first USB not to absolutely suck, doesn't mean manufacturers ought to fall head over heels to put them in new devices, considering the countless existing devices that use the old, shitty connectors we got stuck with because the standards body couldn't get its act together.