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> I would venture to guess that at least the nastiness now means that the politics are mostly out in the open and that it's easier to navigate. Perhaps, for pe
by jleader 11y ago
> I would venture to guess that at least the nastiness now means that the politics are mostly out in the open and that it's easier to navigate.
Perhaps, for people who can tolerate the nastiness. The question is, how many excellent developers leave (or never participate in the first place) without saying a word, because they don't want to deal with the nastiness?
No one's suggesting "never say anything negative". As the original article said "I need communication that is technically brutal but personally respectful." In other words, you don't need homophobic sexist insults to tell someone they're doing something wrong.
You're setting up a false dichotomy, between pointless nastiness, and some imaginary ultra-polite fairy land that no one is asking for.
What's so hackerish and geeky and nerdly about insulting people for their sexual preference or appearance or grooming, instead of discussing the actual technical issues?
- msandford 11y ago> The question is, how many excellent developers leave (or never participate in the first place) without saying a word, because they don't want to deal with the nastiness? That's a great point, and together we're actually correct. How many new developers would you gain by implementing some kind of (largely unenforceable) code of conduct versus how many old developers would you scare away with such a thing. Now you've got an actual engineering tradeoff that you can consider. Would the gains more than offset the losses? I certainly don't know. I don't think there is any way to know except to try it and hope it doesn't go badly. I can understand why people might not be keen to take a risk like that, though.