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Have you looked at prices for data centers in Europe versus the US? Or their incompetence? > Economies have becomes so intertwined that shutting Europe 'off t

Have you looked at prices for data centers in Europe versus the US? Or their incompetence? > Economies have becomes so intertwined that shutting Europe 'off the internet' by any other party BS. Google shut off China. Independent companies are free to not do business anywhere the laws are stifling. I think it would be awesome if they did it all at once. Internet Blackout for Europe.

jarek 11y ago
Maybe Spotify can go first. Then CERN can limit its "web sites" to only work from within its member states
- jacquesm 11y ago
  What does CERN have to do with Spotify and EU member states?
  - jarek 11y ago
    I'm mocking the idea of an Internet (though I rather suspect VikingCoder meant HTTP) Blackout for Europe by pointing out European HTTP services.
    - VikingCoder 11y ago
      No, I didn't mean HTTP. I meant Google, Facebook, YouTube, Yahoo, Amazon, Wikipedia, Twitter, LinkedIn, Ebay, Bing.
      - jarek 11y ago
        Google, Facebook, YouTube, Yahoo, Amazon, Wikipedia, Twitter, LinkedIn, Ebay, Bing use HTTP. Which as I'm sure you are aware was created by a European, working at a European institute. Unless by Internet Blackout you meant blocking NNTP and Gopher?
        VikingCoder 11y ago
        They also use TCP/IP. Remember where that was created? Neither of which is relevant AT ALL to the fact that they are being hit with ridiculous laws that hurt companies - small ones in particular - and therefore hurt consumers.
        jarek 11y ago
        Ah yes, TCP/IP, the technology that spurred founding of Ebay just 4 years after it was created ;) Non-EU small companies will not be hurt. Companies not collecting personal data won't be hurt. Companies that don't have an office in the EU won't be hurt. EU companies won't be hurt as long as they don't mix personal data between EU and US - and knowing what we do now, why would you? If you want to talk about things that hurt companies, you could start with NSA severely handicapping US datacentre industry.
jacquesm 11y ago
> Have you looked at prices for data centers in Europe versus the US? Or their incompetence? Yes, I'm quite aware of the price differences between data centers in Europe and the US. It all depends on who you want to serve, if latency is important then paying a (small) premium is usually not a problem. Also, plenty of EU data centers (maybe not the ones that you are familiar with) are extremely competitive with their US counterparts when it comes to pricing. As for 'their incompetence', that would need some data to back it up, I have extensive experience with both and I'd be hard pressed to say which of the two groups are the more competent ones. Both are pretty good. > Independent companies are free to not do business anywhere the laws are stifling. You are dangerously mis-informed about where the balance of power lies - for now.

jarek 11y ago

Maybe Spotify can go first. Then CERN can limit its "web sites" to only work from within its member states

jacquesm 11y ago
What does CERN have to do with Spotify and EU member states?
- jarek 11y ago
  I'm mocking the idea of an Internet (though I rather suspect VikingCoder meant HTTP) Blackout for Europe by pointing out European HTTP services.
  - VikingCoder 11y ago
    No, I didn't mean HTTP. I meant Google, Facebook, YouTube, Yahoo, Amazon, Wikipedia, Twitter, LinkedIn, Ebay, Bing.
    - jarek 11y ago
      Google, Facebook, YouTube, Yahoo, Amazon, Wikipedia, Twitter, LinkedIn, Ebay, Bing use HTTP. Which as I'm sure you are aware was created by a European, working at a European institute. Unless by Internet Blackout you meant blocking NNTP and Gopher?
      - VikingCoder 11y ago
        They also use TCP/IP. Remember where that was created? Neither of which is relevant AT ALL to the fact that they are being hit with ridiculous laws that hurt companies - small ones in particular - and therefore hurt consumers.
        jarek 11y ago
        Ah yes, TCP/IP, the technology that spurred founding of Ebay just 4 years after it was created ;) Non-EU small companies will not be hurt. Companies not collecting personal data won't be hurt. Companies that don't have an office in the EU won't be hurt. EU companies won't be hurt as long as they don't mix personal data between EU and US - and knowing what we do now, why would you? If you want to talk about things that hurt companies, you could start with NSA severely handicapping US datacentre industry.

jacquesm 11y ago

> Have you looked at prices for data centers in Europe versus the US? Or their incompetence? Yes, I'm quite aware of the price differences between data centers in Europe and the US. It all depends on who you want to serve, if latency is important then paying a (small) premium is usually not a problem. Also, plenty of EU data centers (maybe not the ones that you are familiar with) are extremely competitive with their US counterparts when it comes to pricing. As for 'their incompetence', that would need some data to back it up, I have extensive experience with both and I'd be hard pressed to say which of the two groups are the more competent ones. Both are pretty good. > Independent companies are free to not do business anywhere the laws are stifling. You are dangerously mis-informed about where the balance of power lies - for now.