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Yeah, and also: Who gives a shit? It's the convention they chose, just adapt to it and get over it, or program in a different language. People who like to comp

Yeah, and also: Who gives a shit? It's the convention they chose, just adapt to it and get over it, or program in a different language. People who like to complain about PHP are rarely the same people who use it every day.

deckar01 11y ago
I have to use PHP every day and I rarely go a day without complaining about it.
- sarciszewski 11y ago
  You're the exception, not the rule. I mostly hear C/C++, Ruby, Python, etc. devs complain about PHP. Very rarely actual PHP developers. And typically, their complaints are less of the moan-ass "waaah, they use a \ for namespace separation" and more "ugh, why don't they disabled emulated prepared statements by default"? Only one side is constructive.
  - craigmcnamara 11y ago
    You hear real engineers with actual experience in other languages complain about the two clawed hammer of languages. It's because there isn't a stockholm syndrome when you know something other than PHP. PHP is a mess, it's a hugely popular mess in the same way that a McDonald's hamburger is a hugely popular mess. If you ask someone about their favorite burger or language, you'll rarely hear that McDonald's or PHP is on the tip of someone's tongue. If you ask someone why they ate at McDonald's or why they used PHP, you'll likely hear some bullshit justification that amounts to "it was there when I needed it." Fuck PHP.
  - kazinator 11y ago
    None of those who are complaining about the monument of shit being erected outside of town is actually an erector of monuments made of shit. Typically, their complaints are about the ugly appearance and smell. Only one side is constructive.
craigmcnamara 11y ago
If you use PHP every day, you know nothing outside your slum. PHP started as a crappy Perl and evolved into a terrible Perl with the worst of Java bolted on after the fact. It's not a good language. I occasionally have to hold my nose and sling some PHP and I think it's the worst thing possible, bar none. What would you think is a worse alternative to PHP within the realm of dynamic languages? PHP fosters a culture of being proud of knowing no better way and not complaining about the shit you have to trudge through to do basic programming tasks.

deckar01 11y ago

I have to use PHP every day and I rarely go a day without complaining about it.

sarciszewski 11y ago
You're the exception, not the rule. I mostly hear C/C++, Ruby, Python, etc. devs complain about PHP. Very rarely actual PHP developers. And typically, their complaints are less of the moan-ass "waaah, they use a \ for namespace separation" and more "ugh, why don't they disabled emulated prepared statements by default"? Only one side is constructive.
- craigmcnamara 11y ago
  You hear real engineers with actual experience in other languages complain about the two clawed hammer of languages. It's because there isn't a stockholm syndrome when you know something other than PHP. PHP is a mess, it's a hugely popular mess in the same way that a McDonald's hamburger is a hugely popular mess. If you ask someone about their favorite burger or language, you'll rarely hear that McDonald's or PHP is on the tip of someone's tongue. If you ask someone why they ate at McDonald's or why they used PHP, you'll likely hear some bullshit justification that amounts to "it was there when I needed it." Fuck PHP.
- kazinator 11y ago
  None of those who are complaining about the monument of shit being erected outside of town is actually an erector of monuments made of shit. Typically, their complaints are about the ugly appearance and smell. Only one side is constructive.

craigmcnamara 11y ago

If you use PHP every day, you know nothing outside your slum. PHP started as a crappy Perl and evolved into a terrible Perl with the worst of Java bolted on after the fact. It's not a good language. I occasionally have to hold my nose and sling some PHP and I think it's the worst thing possible, bar none. What would you think is a worse alternative to PHP within the realm of dynamic languages? PHP fosters a culture of being proud of knowing no better way and not complaining about the shit you have to trudge through to do basic programming tasks.