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for the record, this is what ulbricht was convicted of: narcotics trafficking; distribution of narcotics by means of the Internet; narcotics trafficking conspi

for the record, this is what ulbricht was convicted of: narcotics trafficking; distribution of narcotics by means of the Internet; narcotics trafficking conspiracy; continuing criminal enterprise; conspiracy to aid and abet computer hacking; conspiracy to traffic in fraudulent identity documents; and money laundering conspiracy. notice that "attempting to have multiple people killed" is not something he was convicted of.

tptacek 11y ago
Notice indictment, first count, overt act B.
- clamprecht 11y ago
  For the benefit of others, here is the indictment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao-sdny/legacy/2015/03/25/US%20v.%20Ross%20Ulbricht%20Indictment.pdf http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao-sdny/legacy/... The murder for hire thing is on page 5.
- anonbanker 11y ago
  This is why I don't trust you, Tom. You know he wasn't convicted of it, and you agree through acquiescence. But knowing that, you pretend to conflate indictment and conviction, as if it justifies what I said being wrong. That's lying, Tom, and it isn't right.
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mikeyouse 11y ago
From the linked documents, straight from the judge as sentencing adjustments: Ulbricht's directed violence here is and relates to the murders for hire which he is alleged to have commissioned and paid for. The Court must determine whether these allegations have been demonstrated by a preponderance of the evidence and I find that there is ample and unambiguous evidence that Ulbricht commissioned five murders as part of his efforts to protect his criminal enterprise and that he paid for these murders. There is no evidence that he was role-playing. The Court finds that the evidence is clear and unambiguous and it far exceeds the necessary preponderance findings, that Ulbricht believed he was paying for murders of those he wanted eliminated, and that he believed they had in fact been murdered. Check out pages 18 - 19. http://www.scribd.com/doc/283722300/Ross-Ulbricht-Sentencing http://www.scribd.com/doc/283722300/Ross-Ulbricht-Sentencing
- anonbanker 11y ago
  then why didn't they convict him of it? Or more importantly, why didn't the prosecution keep the charge?

tptacek 11y ago

Notice indictment, first count, overt act B.

clamprecht 11y ago
For the benefit of others, here is the indictment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao-sdny/legacy/2015/03/25/US%20v.%20Ross%20Ulbricht%20Indictment.pdf http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao-sdny/legacy/... The murder for hire thing is on page 5.
anonbanker 11y ago
This is why I don't trust you, Tom. You know he wasn't convicted of it, and you agree through acquiescence. But knowing that, you pretend to conflate indictment and conviction, as if it justifies what I said being wrong. That's lying, Tom, and it isn't right.

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mikeyouse 11y ago

From the linked documents, straight from the judge as sentencing adjustments: Ulbricht's directed violence here is and relates to the murders for hire which he is alleged to have commissioned and paid for. The Court must determine whether these allegations have been demonstrated by a preponderance of the evidence and I find that there is ample and unambiguous evidence that Ulbricht commissioned five murders as part of his efforts to protect his criminal enterprise and that he paid for these murders. There is no evidence that he was role-playing. The Court finds that the evidence is clear and unambiguous and it far exceeds the necessary preponderance findings, that Ulbricht believed he was paying for murders of those he wanted eliminated, and that he believed they had in fact been murdered. Check out pages 18 - 19. http://www.scribd.com/doc/283722300/Ross-Ulbricht-Sentencing http://www.scribd.com/doc/283722300/Ross-Ulbricht-Sentencing

anonbanker 11y ago
then why didn't they convict him of it? Or more importantly, why didn't the prosecution keep the charge?