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"Describing the relationship between GCHQ and its US counterpart, he said: "GCHQ is to all intents and purposes a subsidiary of the NSA. "They [the NSA] provid

"Describing the relationship between GCHQ and its US counterpart, he said: "GCHQ is to all intents and purposes a subsidiary of the NSA. "They [the NSA] provide technology, they provide tasking and direction as to what they [GCHQ] should go after." " This is the juciest part. This is the confirmation we've been suspecting for a long time: CGHQ is the NSA, and all of their programs are shared. This means that we can pin the worst abuses of GCHQ onto the NSA, and also confirm that US citizens are directly targeted by even the most outrageously invasive surveillance efforts-- there is no exempt population, proving the NSA's PR lies once again.

rhino369 11y ago
Snowden wasn't a liaison between CGHQ and the NSA. How would he know if it were a subsidiary of the CGHQ. If it's from documents he took, then were is the documents showing it? I'm sure there is a lot of cross sharing of information, but to call it a subsidiary is a bold claim. Snowden was a database admin, not John Brennan.
- cryoshon 11y ago
  I don't have the ultimate answer here, but why were the (highly classified, some marked "no foreign national viewing") GCHQ slide decks on NSA servers? I also assume that their slides reference each others programs frequently. Maybe this is incorrect.
  - caskance 11y ago
    The most obvious answer is that the NSA pwned them.
  - rhino369 11y ago
    They obviously work together very closely. I'm just objecting to the idea that the UK spy agencies are just American outposts and that each agency is responsible for the mistakes/crimes of the others. Maybe they are really pushed around by the US, but I'd have to see more than Snowden making unfounded statements about it. In the past, he's made some illogical leaps based on some of the information he took. It's very easy to do that when you expect the worst of someone/thing.
    - cryoshon 11y ago
      It's also possible that the documents outlining the closest collaborations are too sensitive for Greenwald et al. to publish. Snowden may be speaking generally based off of background which he has seen firsthand, but indicated to the journalists that it should be kept secret. Hard to conjecture much farther without seeing everything. At this juncture, I'm going to continue assuming that the GCHQ equals the NSA.
    - TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
      > I'm just objecting to the idea that the UK spy agencies are just American outposts and that each agency is responsible for the mistakes/crimes of the others. The UK agencies aren't US outposts and the US agencies aren't UK outposts. They're all AUSCANNZUKUS/Five Eyes outposts.
- mike_hearn 11y ago
  Snowden was a sysadmin because he explicitly decided to become one to get access to more documents. I've read most (nearly all, perhaps) of the Snowden documents. They paint the exact same picture he is painting. GCHQ appears to be so tightly integrated with the NSA that they have access to each others intranets. It's well known that one reason Snowden got so many documents is that he was able to crawl the entire GCHQ internal wiki .... from Hawaii. If you look at other presentations then it's clear that they have unified infrastructure to a great extent and GCHQ is willing to do nearly anything to stay in the club.

rhino369 11y ago

Snowden wasn't a liaison between CGHQ and the NSA. How would he know if it were a subsidiary of the CGHQ. If it's from documents he took, then were is the documents showing it? I'm sure there is a lot of cross sharing of information, but to call it a subsidiary is a bold claim. Snowden was a database admin, not John Brennan.

cryoshon 11y ago
I don't have the ultimate answer here, but why were the (highly classified, some marked "no foreign national viewing") GCHQ slide decks on NSA servers? I also assume that their slides reference each others programs frequently. Maybe this is incorrect.
- caskance 11y ago
  The most obvious answer is that the NSA pwned them.
- rhino369 11y ago
  They obviously work together very closely. I'm just objecting to the idea that the UK spy agencies are just American outposts and that each agency is responsible for the mistakes/crimes of the others. Maybe they are really pushed around by the US, but I'd have to see more than Snowden making unfounded statements about it. In the past, he's made some illogical leaps based on some of the information he took. It's very easy to do that when you expect the worst of someone/thing.
  - cryoshon 11y ago
    It's also possible that the documents outlining the closest collaborations are too sensitive for Greenwald et al. to publish. Snowden may be speaking generally based off of background which he has seen firsthand, but indicated to the journalists that it should be kept secret. Hard to conjecture much farther without seeing everything. At this juncture, I'm going to continue assuming that the GCHQ equals the NSA.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
    > I'm just objecting to the idea that the UK spy agencies are just American outposts and that each agency is responsible for the mistakes/crimes of the others. The UK agencies aren't US outposts and the US agencies aren't UK outposts. They're all AUSCANNZUKUS/Five Eyes outposts.
mike_hearn 11y ago
Snowden was a sysadmin because he explicitly decided to become one to get access to more documents. I've read most (nearly all, perhaps) of the Snowden documents. They paint the exact same picture he is painting. GCHQ appears to be so tightly integrated with the NSA that they have access to each others intranets. It's well known that one reason Snowden got so many documents is that he was able to crawl the entire GCHQ internal wiki .... from Hawaii. If you look at other presentations then it's clear that they have unified infrastructure to a great extent and GCHQ is willing to do nearly anything to stay in the club.