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Nice for you to assume my ignorance. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia both fund extremist Islamist groups, but no one seems to acknowledge it since both are US allies

by 1971genocide 11y ago

Nice for you to assume my ignorance. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia both fund extremist Islamist groups, but no one seems to acknowledge it since both are US allies. India has its problems but no where the level of Pakistan. The people of Pakistan are extremely brainwashed with religious extremism. I know that because I went to a school filled with them and also Indians. They openly justify terrorism - we are not talking about uneducated people, but extremely educated - cream of the crop pakistanis. I would love to live to see pakistan became a better country but its people are so backward - its going to take a lot of time to solve all the problems they have.

JumpCrisscross 11y ago
> Pakistan and Saudi Arabia both fund extremist Islamist groups, but no one seems to acknowledge it since both are US allies. I thought it was a well-travelled non-secret in U.S. diplomatic circles. The Atlantic ran an article [1] a few years ago that caused quite a stir, in part by showing that the U.S. has active invade-and-defuse ("render safe") plans for Pakistan. [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2011/12/the-ally-from-hell/308730/ http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2011/12/the-ally-f...
- 1971genocide 11y ago
  Did Obama ever come out and condemn pakistani actions ? He criticized India for its backward views on women - and no words on the saudis. I view both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to be the most vile countries with extremely vile societies - I used to think its just the govt. But having lived in the middle east and known a lot of saudis and pakistanis I am disappointed to say that the people are not much more different that the terrible views spewed by their govt. But somehow the countries that require the most attention are Iran and Syria ?
  - WildUtah 11y ago
    Did Obama ever come out and condemn pakistani actions? Obama took big risks in the 2008 campaign to accuse Pakistan of harboring Usama ibn Laden. Hillary and McCain both condemned him for telling the truth. The national media and national security PR machine attacked Obama for saying it but Obama stood firm. Obama also promised he'd go into Pakistan and kill ibn Laden whatever the diplomatic cost and then he did it. Obama also told us exactly why the Iraq adventure would be a disaster in 2002. I don't like the police state policies Obama enforces at home, but we're lucky to have him. The next few presidents are unlikely to be as brave, honest, visionary, or competent when it comes to foreign policy. The Washington insider machine will be back in power far too soon.
selimthegrim 11y ago
I don't judge Hindus by that mob in Dadri or the people in JK state assembly beating someone up for eating beef. Pakistan had its Hiroshima moment, when all the prisoners of war were repatriated from India after the Simla accords. Don't think that "hazaar-saal-hukmrani" is totally unchallenged in the media there - I see people on Pakistani TV criticize it freely all the time. From the way you're going on about it you'd think the country was North Korea. It's not.

JumpCrisscross 11y ago

> Pakistan and Saudi Arabia both fund extremist Islamist groups, but no one seems to acknowledge it since both are US allies. I thought it was a well-travelled non-secret in U.S. diplomatic circles. The Atlantic ran an article [1] a few years ago that caused quite a stir, in part by showing that the U.S. has active invade-and-defuse ("render safe") plans for Pakistan. [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2011/12/the-ally-from-hell/308730/ http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2011/12/the-ally-f...

1971genocide 11y ago
Did Obama ever come out and condemn pakistani actions ? He criticized India for its backward views on women - and no words on the saudis. I view both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to be the most vile countries with extremely vile societies - I used to think its just the govt. But having lived in the middle east and known a lot of saudis and pakistanis I am disappointed to say that the people are not much more different that the terrible views spewed by their govt. But somehow the countries that require the most attention are Iran and Syria ?
- WildUtah 11y ago
  Did Obama ever come out and condemn pakistani actions? Obama took big risks in the 2008 campaign to accuse Pakistan of harboring Usama ibn Laden. Hillary and McCain both condemned him for telling the truth. The national media and national security PR machine attacked Obama for saying it but Obama stood firm. Obama also promised he'd go into Pakistan and kill ibn Laden whatever the diplomatic cost and then he did it. Obama also told us exactly why the Iraq adventure would be a disaster in 2002. I don't like the police state policies Obama enforces at home, but we're lucky to have him. The next few presidents are unlikely to be as brave, honest, visionary, or competent when it comes to foreign policy. The Washington insider machine will be back in power far too soon.

selimthegrim 11y ago

I don't judge Hindus by that mob in Dadri or the people in JK state assembly beating someone up for eating beef. Pakistan had its Hiroshima moment, when all the prisoners of war were repatriated from India after the Simla accords. Don't think that "hazaar-saal-hukmrani" is totally unchallenged in the media there - I see people on Pakistani TV criticize it freely all the time. From the way you're going on about it you'd think the country was North Korea. It's not.