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Woah! What campaign?! I don't think she is drumming up any support. Asking for polite and decent conversations without being called a 'cry baby' or being aske

Woah! What campaign?! I don't think she is drumming up any support. Asking for polite and decent conversations without being called a 'cry baby' or being asked to 'go back to kitchen' is not political knife fight, it is basic courtesy in a public forum IMO.

meapix 11y ago
The problem with "basic courtesy" is that you need to understand other people's culture/background/personal life to make it "correct". There are people who will be offended just by criticizing their code, not their personal life.
- tptacek 11y ago
  This whole post that we're commenting on is about exactly that distinction, so this is a bogus argument.
- pron 11y ago
  She's not complaining about people being offended for some obscure cultural reasons. She states that the community is abrasive and led by assholes. The significance of being spat on is open to cultural interpretation; the significance of being stabbed with a knife is pretty unequivocal. Let's start with that.
tomjen3 11y ago
Ahh has probably, like me, run into the social justice worriers. There is a community so toxic and full of hatred for (white heterosexual) men that they make Ulrich Drepper sound like miss Manners. Many of their complaints are the same complaints Sarah posted, so it does seem reasonable (to me) to assume she was one of them. Normally they complain about some project not caring about their feelings, demand change, tear apart anyone who argues against them and then force anybody who disagree with them out. Death threats and emails to peoples employers suggesting they be fired are commonly used. I don't think Sarah is one of them, because to work for that long on a project requires sharp technical skills, which the social justice warriors don't tend to have as well as a willingness to work with people don't agree with you. I certainly wouldn't fault anybody for suspecting knives though.
- reitanqild 11y ago
  she seems different: honest but tired. We must be able to defend Linus without attacking anyone criticizing the Linux kernel maintainers. Not everything is perfect on that list.
- chris_wot 11y ago
  It's not in any way reasonable to assume that someone is badly behaved without any specific evidence. To lump someone into a stereotypical grouping because you just assume they live up to that stereotype is the sign of a rather weak or insecure personality!

meapix 11y ago

The problem with "basic courtesy" is that you need to understand other people's culture/background/personal life to make it "correct". There are people who will be offended just by criticizing their code, not their personal life.

tptacek 11y ago
This whole post that we're commenting on is about exactly that distinction, so this is a bogus argument.
pron 11y ago
She's not complaining about people being offended for some obscure cultural reasons. She states that the community is abrasive and led by assholes. The significance of being spat on is open to cultural interpretation; the significance of being stabbed with a knife is pretty unequivocal. Let's start with that.

tomjen3 11y ago

Ahh has probably, like me, run into the social justice worriers. There is a community so toxic and full of hatred for (white heterosexual) men that they make Ulrich Drepper sound like miss Manners. Many of their complaints are the same complaints Sarah posted, so it does seem reasonable (to me) to assume she was one of them. Normally they complain about some project not caring about their feelings, demand change, tear apart anyone who argues against them and then force anybody who disagree with them out. Death threats and emails to peoples employers suggesting they be fired are commonly used. I don't think Sarah is one of them, because to work for that long on a project requires sharp technical skills, which the social justice warriors don't tend to have as well as a willingness to work with people don't agree with you. I certainly wouldn't fault anybody for suspecting knives though.

reitanqild 11y ago
she seems different: honest but tired. We must be able to defend Linus without attacking anyone criticizing the Linux kernel maintainers. Not everything is perfect on that list.
chris_wot 11y ago
It's not in any way reasonable to assume that someone is badly behaved without any specific evidence. To lump someone into a stereotypical grouping because you just assume they live up to that stereotype is the sign of a rather weak or insecure personality!