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I don't get it. Why are so many OK with the personal attacks, unprofessional language, and generally toxic communications This is going to be off-topic but...w
by omouse 11y ago
I don't get it. Why are so many OK with the personal attacks, unprofessional language, and generally toxic communications
This is going to be off-topic but...why are so many OK with that in the workplace? I've seen far more unprofessional language and toxic environment in a workplace by executives and managers and yet people fail to report it and fail to publicly complain.
" I did not want to work professionally with people who were allowed to get away with subtle sexist or homophobic jokes. I feel powerless in a community that had a “Code of Conflict” without a specific list of behaviors to avoid and a community with no teeth to enforce it."
Welcome to the typical office environment. And yet we're more likely to complain about this in the free/open source community than we are for the workplace.
Why is that?
Back on topic: I'm in agreement with you and there are ways of getting people to behave correctly and to have technically high quality work without acting like jerks. Those avenues should be investigated and implemented. I get it, for volunteer-based efforts it can be hard to enforce some standards because sometimes you're just happy to get any contribution, but there really needs to be a higher lower-bound placed on decency.
- jfb 11y agoWhy is that? Because nobody gets fired from their paying job for criticizing puerile bullying on a mailing list.
- nommm-nommm 11y agoThats not at all off topic. My thoughts? Its all in-group bonding and enforcement of the social norms of the group. Even if some aren't comfortable with it personally and wouldn't do it otherwise. The older I get the more I can agree that the (software) workplace needs to get much more professional than it is. Maybe I am off base on this one though...
- deirdres 11y agoSexist, homophobic, etc. speech or behavior is less and less tolerated in most serious office environments, not least because it opens up a company to harassment lawsuits. That being the case, I wonder what all the very big serious companies that sponsor the Linux Foundation think about the level of harassment that is apparently tolerated in the communities they sponsor.
- chris_wot 11y agoNot sure why you are being down voted, I have often wondered this myself. Also, I just posted a link to HN about things preventing up streaming in embedded Linux, I'd say that there are some fairly bad issues preventing people from submitting patches.
- easuter 11y agoI find it strange that Sarah Sharp makes accusations of sexist and homophobic jokes but provides no examples. The mailing list is public after all - should we just take her word for it?