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I am usually for open borders but pakistan is really an exception. They have too many problems - They in the past used to openly fund terrorist militias in both

by 1971genocide 11y ago

I am usually for open borders but pakistan is really an exception. They have too many problems - They in the past used to openly fund terrorist militias in both India and Nepal. Until they sort themselves out its a good idea to create a donald trump style wall between them and India.

cocoawhale 11y ago
This comment is so discriminatory. India and Pakistan basically have the same problems. Both countries are quite screwy. Read real books on both countries rather than just reading new articles and you would know this.
- ouiyaaa 11y ago
  Really, What about the 1971 genocide?
- sremani 11y ago
  Disagree. India and Pakistan are similar and have similar problems but the level of white-washing of history and devotion to "Garrison State" does not happen in India. Heck, the education system in India is wildly varied from state to state. After reading real books and what not, India is screwed up, but if Indians want to feel any better they only have to look at Pakistan and take comfort from the fact Pakistan is more screwed up.
  - 1971genocide 11y ago
    India is amazing. As a ethnically hindu bangladeshi I would eat a hat to switch my passport so that I could go work in bangalore ! I do not have a problem with muslims - most of my friends are. But islam is a terrible curse in south east asia in general. I am not sure if its the saudis spreading wahabbism - I mean pakistan was terrible even during the independence. Pakistan needs some sort of Hiroshima moment like the Japanese to come to terms with the fact that they as a country made a grave mistake breaking away from India.
    - chimeracoder 11y ago
      > As a ethnically hindu bangladeshi Well, on that note, as an Hindu East Bengali, I'm embarrassed to read the things you've been posting here.
      - 1971genocide 11y ago
        What exactly did I say that you think is so shameful ?
        dang 11y ago
        You've posted many comments to HN that were uncivil, unsubstantive, or both. Now you've called (or almost called) for nuking Pakistan, which is beyond the pale. Please work on editing out the uncivil and unsubstantive from your comments, and please stop feeding flamewars on this site.
        1971genocide 11y ago
        I didn't call for nuking pakistan. Just said they as a country needs a Hiroshima moment. Similar to how the Japanese though they were exceptional and then the Americans made them surrender causing a collective realization in their society. Pakistan thinks they are equal to the Indians. Not only the govt but also its people. This is why they need a Hiroshima moment. It could as simple as India being granted a seat at the security council - but I think given the view of the average Pakistani it needs to be something more stronger. Sorry if you think my language is uncivil. But I am not interested in changing it since I have not met a single pakistani who would even accept the war crimes they committed in bengal in 1971, and I have meet many pakistanis. Their collective arrogance is what drives me to use strong language whenever they are brought up.
        dang 11y ago
        It's not ok to attack an entire country here, regardless of how strongly you feel. You need to stop this in order to keep commenting here.
- 1971genocide 11y ago
  Nice for you to assume my ignorance. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia both fund extremist Islamist groups, but no one seems to acknowledge it since both are US allies. India has its problems but no where the level of Pakistan. The people of Pakistan are extremely brainwashed with religious extremism. I know that because I went to a school filled with them and also Indians. They openly justify terrorism - we are not talking about uneducated people, but extremely educated - cream of the crop pakistanis. I would love to live to see pakistan became a better country but its people are so backward - its going to take a lot of time to solve all the problems they have.
  - JumpCrisscross 11y ago
    > Pakistan and Saudi Arabia both fund extremist Islamist groups, but no one seems to acknowledge it since both are US allies. I thought it was a well-travelled non-secret in U.S. diplomatic circles. The Atlantic ran an article [1] a few years ago that caused quite a stir, in part by showing that the U.S. has active invade-and-defuse ("render safe") plans for Pakistan. [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2011/12/the-ally-from-hell/308730/ http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2011/12/the-ally-f...
    - 1971genocide 11y ago
      Did Obama ever come out and condemn pakistani actions ? He criticized India for its backward views on women - and no words on the saudis. I view both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to be the most vile countries with extremely vile societies - I used to think its just the govt. But having lived in the middle east and known a lot of saudis and pakistanis I am disappointed to say that the people are not much more different that the terrible views spewed by their govt. But somehow the countries that require the most attention are Iran and Syria ?
      - WildUtah 11y ago
        Did Obama ever come out and condemn pakistani actions? Obama took big risks in the 2008 campaign to accuse Pakistan of harboring Usama ibn Laden. Hillary and McCain both condemned him for telling the truth. The national media and national security PR machine attacked Obama for saying it but Obama stood firm. Obama also promised he'd go into Pakistan and kill ibn Laden whatever the diplomatic cost and then he did it. Obama also told us exactly why the Iraq adventure would be a disaster in 2002. I don't like the police state policies Obama enforces at home, but we're lucky to have him. The next few presidents are unlikely to be as brave, honest, visionary, or competent when it comes to foreign policy. The Washington insider machine will be back in power far too soon.

cocoawhale 11y ago

This comment is so discriminatory. India and Pakistan basically have the same problems. Both countries are quite screwy. Read real books on both countries rather than just reading new articles and you would know this.

ouiyaaa 11y ago
Really, What about the 1971 genocide?
sremani 11y ago
Disagree. India and Pakistan are similar and have similar problems but the level of white-washing of history and devotion to "Garrison State" does not happen in India. Heck, the education system in India is wildly varied from state to state. After reading real books and what not, India is screwed up, but if Indians want to feel any better they only have to look at Pakistan and take comfort from the fact Pakistan is more screwed up.
- 1971genocide 11y ago
  India is amazing. As a ethnically hindu bangladeshi I would eat a hat to switch my passport so that I could go work in bangalore ! I do not have a problem with muslims - most of my friends are. But islam is a terrible curse in south east asia in general. I am not sure if its the saudis spreading wahabbism - I mean pakistan was terrible even during the independence. Pakistan needs some sort of Hiroshima moment like the Japanese to come to terms with the fact that they as a country made a grave mistake breaking away from India.
  - chimeracoder 11y ago
    > As a ethnically hindu bangladeshi Well, on that note, as an Hindu East Bengali, I'm embarrassed to read the things you've been posting here.
    - 1971genocide 11y ago
      What exactly did I say that you think is so shameful ?
      - dang 11y ago
        You've posted many comments to HN that were uncivil, unsubstantive, or both. Now you've called (or almost called) for nuking Pakistan, which is beyond the pale. Please work on editing out the uncivil and unsubstantive from your comments, and please stop feeding flamewars on this site.
        1971genocide 11y ago
        I didn't call for nuking pakistan. Just said they as a country needs a Hiroshima moment. Similar to how the Japanese though they were exceptional and then the Americans made them surrender causing a collective realization in their society. Pakistan thinks they are equal to the Indians. Not only the govt but also its people. This is why they need a Hiroshima moment. It could as simple as India being granted a seat at the security council - but I think given the view of the average Pakistani it needs to be something more stronger. Sorry if you think my language is uncivil. But I am not interested in changing it since I have not met a single pakistani who would even accept the war crimes they committed in bengal in 1971, and I have meet many pakistanis. Their collective arrogance is what drives me to use strong language whenever they are brought up.
        dang 11y ago
        It's not ok to attack an entire country here, regardless of how strongly you feel. You need to stop this in order to keep commenting here.
1971genocide 11y ago
Nice for you to assume my ignorance. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia both fund extremist Islamist groups, but no one seems to acknowledge it since both are US allies. India has its problems but no where the level of Pakistan. The people of Pakistan are extremely brainwashed with religious extremism. I know that because I went to a school filled with them and also Indians. They openly justify terrorism - we are not talking about uneducated people, but extremely educated - cream of the crop pakistanis. I would love to live to see pakistan became a better country but its people are so backward - its going to take a lot of time to solve all the problems they have.
- JumpCrisscross 11y ago
  > Pakistan and Saudi Arabia both fund extremist Islamist groups, but no one seems to acknowledge it since both are US allies. I thought it was a well-travelled non-secret in U.S. diplomatic circles. The Atlantic ran an article [1] a few years ago that caused quite a stir, in part by showing that the U.S. has active invade-and-defuse ("render safe") plans for Pakistan. [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2011/12/the-ally-from-hell/308730/ http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/print/2011/12/the-ally-f...
  - 1971genocide 11y ago
    Did Obama ever come out and condemn pakistani actions ? He criticized India for its backward views on women - and no words on the saudis. I view both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to be the most vile countries with extremely vile societies - I used to think its just the govt. But having lived in the middle east and known a lot of saudis and pakistanis I am disappointed to say that the people are not much more different that the terrible views spewed by their govt. But somehow the countries that require the most attention are Iran and Syria ?
    - WildUtah 11y ago
      Did Obama ever come out and condemn pakistani actions? Obama took big risks in the 2008 campaign to accuse Pakistan of harboring Usama ibn Laden. Hillary and McCain both condemned him for telling the truth. The national media and national security PR machine attacked Obama for saying it but Obama stood firm. Obama also promised he'd go into Pakistan and kill ibn Laden whatever the diplomatic cost and then he did it. Obama also told us exactly why the Iraq adventure would be a disaster in 2002. I don't like the police state policies Obama enforces at home, but we're lucky to have him. The next few presidents are unlikely to be as brave, honest, visionary, or competent when it comes to foreign policy. The Washington insider machine will be back in power far too soon.