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If they would receive an annotated version with the annotations explaining the reasoning that led to each final decision then it might be possible to come up wi

by danbruc 11y ago

If they would receive an annotated version with the annotations explaining the reasoning that led to each final decision then it might be possible to come up with an objective judgement. But if you have to reverse engineer the reasoning of several countries over several years about numerous topics in 90 days and from hundreds or thousands of pages in a language that hardly resembles your mother tongue...good luck with that.

mtanski 11y ago
Pretty sure that's not how diplomacy works. There's a pretty good podcast on Planet Money how things are negotiated in trade deals.
- octaveguin 11y ago
  Yep. We don't really envision actual people doing these trade negotiations. This explains it with some humanity. http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/06/26/417851577/episode-635-trade-deal-confidential http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/06/26/417851577/episo... Not to say any of this is in the best interest of the public, it's still nice to get the less talked about perspective.
walterbell 11y ago
Public Citizen put together a legislative timeline for voting on the TPP, which they deem likely to occur in Feb 2016, alongside the US presidential primaries, http://www.citizen.org/documents/tpp-vote-calendar-october-2-2015.pdf http://www.citizen.org/documents/tpp-vote-calendar-october-2... (pdf). For the new U.S. laws that will be created to implement TPP: "Sec. 106(a)(1)(D)) Thirty days after the president submits to Congress a copy of the final legal text of the TPP, he may submit to Congress an implementing bill for the agreement, an explanation of how the implementing bill would change U.S. laws to conform to the terms of the agreement, a final statement of administrative action proposed to implement the agreement, reports on projected environmental and employment impacts, a plan for implementing and enforcing the agreement and other supporting information. (Sec. 106(a)(1)(E), Sec. 105(d)(1 and 2), and Sec. 105(e))"

by danbruc 11y ago

mtanski 11y ago

Pretty sure that's not how diplomacy works. There's a pretty good podcast on Planet Money how things are negotiated in trade deals.

octaveguin 11y ago
Yep. We don't really envision actual people doing these trade negotiations. This explains it with some humanity. http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/06/26/417851577/episode-635-trade-deal-confidential http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/06/26/417851577/episo... Not to say any of this is in the best interest of the public, it's still nice to get the less talked about perspective.

walterbell 11y ago

Public Citizen put together a legislative timeline for voting on the TPP, which they deem likely to occur in Feb 2016, alongside the US presidential primaries, http://www.citizen.org/documents/tpp-vote-calendar-october-2-2015.pdf http://www.citizen.org/documents/tpp-vote-calendar-october-2... (pdf). For the new U.S. laws that will be created to implement TPP: "Sec. 106(a)(1)(D)) Thirty days after the president submits to Congress a copy of the final legal text of the TPP, he may submit to Congress an implementing bill for the agreement, an explanation of how the implementing bill would change U.S. laws to conform to the terms of the agreement, a final statement of administrative action proposed to implement the agreement, reports on projected environmental and employment impacts, a plan for implementing and enforcing the agreement and other supporting information. (Sec. 106(a)(1)(E), Sec. 105(d)(1 and 2), and Sec. 105(e))"