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I don't. No one does (besides people who have negotiated it). AND EXACTLY THAT IS THE PROBLEM! Those who are elected are kept in the dark, too: http://www.ip-wa

by binarray2000 11y ago

I don't. No one does (besides people who have negotiated it). AND EXACTLY THAT IS THE PROBLEM! Those who are elected are kept in the dark, too: http://www.ip-watch.org/2015/09/09/german-bundestag-not-happy-about-being-kept-out-of-ttip-reading-room-in-berlin/ http://www.ip-watch.org/2015/09/09/german-bundestag-not-happ... Maybe we the citizens are just plain stupid to understand so we need to be persuaded: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140620/14292827638/us-embassy-berlin-offering-cold-hard-cash-people-to-create-pro-taftattip-propaganda.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140620/14292827638/us-em... (Just like we were for Iraq war) One of the examples of the "brave new world": http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/22/eu-dropped-pesticide-laws-due-to-us-pressure-over-ttip-documents-reveal http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/22/eu-droppe... You want you and your children and grandchildren to live in it? If TTIP is SOOOO great why secrecy, why so many people who don't have financial interest in it are against it? I could write a lot about it...

blumkvist 11y ago
Of course it would be negotiated in secrecy. How else do you expect something to get done? Every political player will get facts out of context and make his rhetoric out of it, sprinkling emotions and indignation to rally up clueless people, in order to build up his image or get a political favor. Now imagine this happening in every country and mass media amplifying it. Negotiators would have NO room to negotiate. Parliaments have to ratify and have appropriate time to get themselves familiar with the matter. Stop drinking the kool aid.
- binarray2000 11y ago
  So basically, you are for sacrificing democracy on the altar of secrecy. "Clueless people" are always dangerous. And "every political player" can "rally them up". Yes! That's how it should be! People must be informed and have rights to organize and protest for or against something. All fan-boys of diverse trade agreements have only one thing to defend: Secrecy. (And, for the sanity of the discussion, throw out such words as "drinking the kool-aid")
  - blumkvist 11y ago
    Not interested in a discussion. You don't seem to have any regard for practicalities. Only utopia ridden dreams.

blumkvist 11y ago

Of course it would be negotiated in secrecy. How else do you expect something to get done? Every political player will get facts out of context and make his rhetoric out of it, sprinkling emotions and indignation to rally up clueless people, in order to build up his image or get a political favor. Now imagine this happening in every country and mass media amplifying it. Negotiators would have NO room to negotiate. Parliaments have to ratify and have appropriate time to get themselves familiar with the matter. Stop drinking the kool aid.

binarray2000 11y ago
So basically, you are for sacrificing democracy on the altar of secrecy. "Clueless people" are always dangerous. And "every political player" can "rally them up". Yes! That's how it should be! People must be informed and have rights to organize and protest for or against something. All fan-boys of diverse trade agreements have only one thing to defend: Secrecy. (And, for the sanity of the discussion, throw out such words as "drinking the kool-aid")
- blumkvist 11y ago
  Not interested in a discussion. You don't seem to have any regard for practicalities. Only utopia ridden dreams.