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Does someone know if the treaty has to be ratified by all parties before becoming a law? If it's rejected by Canadian or NZ parliaments, would it still be imple
by gerty 11y ago
Does someone know if the treaty has to be ratified by all parties before becoming a law? If it's rejected by Canadian or NZ parliaments, would it still be implemented?
- tptacek 11y agoThat's a good question. I couldn't easily find a clear answer. Do the other 10 parties just go forward with the deal and exclude the defector?
- bryanlarsen 11y agoIt's certainly quite possible that Canada will defect. We've got an election in 2 weeks and it's a very tight three way race. The traditional "middle" party is running on a very left-leaning platform, so opposition to the TPP is going to be one of the major differentiators between the two left-leaning parties.
- tectec 11y agoIt will be really unfortunate if we cannot see the document before the election. I am not sure we can trust the government to give an honest assessment of it.
- tonyarkles 11y agoYeah, in a situation where the conservatives don't win the coming election, I have no problem imagining the NDP or Libs rejecting it on the basis of it being "a treaty Stephen Harper negotiated in secret" Although, reflecting on the limited number of campaign ads I've heard, this seems to be something that no one is really talking about.
- chongli 11y agoNo one is talking about it? Just yesterday I attended a whistle-stop tour stump speech by NDP leader Tom Mulcair; he had a LOT to say about the TPP and the NDP's clear intent to oppose it should Harper try to ratify it in secret.
- tonyarkles 11y agoVery cool! I'll admit that I don't follow the leaders' discussions all that closely; most of my opinion on what's going on in this race has to do with the ads I've seen and heard, whether on CBC Radio, TV, or before watching Youtube videos. My impression that there hasn't been much public discussion about it mostly comes from the fact that the only memorable place I've seen TPP mentioned has been on HN.
- peeters 11y agoAdd to that the likelihood of a minority government. So the TPP would probably have to see the support of two major parties (neither of which might be the ones forming the government).
- ambulancechaser 11y agoI think that many agreements have a minimum number of required signatories before coming into effect. But once that number is met, in theory, other countries approving or not approving has no effect. This can vary in practice, though, as the United States or UK not signing on is vastly different than Austria not passing an agreement. This isn't meant to disparage any other country but in international politics that's just kinda the way it goes.
- tectec 11y agoI was also wondering this. The problem with TPP coming into force with all the countries is that it sounds like a very interconnected document. For example, New Zealand wanted dairy access to the US, in return the US wanted dairy access to Canada. So if Canada does not ratify it, then then US dairy industry would get the short end of the stick.
- tptacek 11y agoI wonder if the ratification process is in the final draft, and we'll just have to wait and see. I'm guessing that what you're implying --- that ratification must be unanimous among the member parties --- is right.