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Eww ewww ewww! I never realized it was this bad. You have a funny idea of "worked". This seems like pure evil oppression. Long live freedom of speech. Tha

Eww ewww ewww! I never realized it was this bad. You have a funny idea of "worked". This seems like pure evil oppression. Long live freedom of speech. That being said we have a similar thing in the west, like clearance that you need for some government jobs(checks your connections to enemy states, drug use, general untrustworthy behavior). Fortunately, such government jobs isn't too big part of the economy. Ideally we'll keep it that way.

nxb 11y ago
But go talk to some people who've only ever experienced these types of business cultures, and they'll start listing for you a ton of reasons why it would be IMPOSSIBLE for the business world to operate as well or better, if it were any other way. These slavery books are still pretty common in parts of Europe too.
- oblio 11y ago
  Where in Europe?
  - nxb 11y ago
    South Eastern Europe. I'm curious about how common it is elsewhere in Europe too.
    - Symbiote 11y ago
      As someone living in Western/Northern Europe, it's not clear to me what you mean. Can you describe it a bit more? The British government knew where I worked, through the tax system. They knew, more-or-less, where I lived, by my registration to vote (compulsory, though not well enforced as far as I know). Is that what you don't like?
    - ByatchMatch 11y ago
      I live in SEE. While we did have "work books" containing our employment history they were eliminated about 7 years ago. All that is now stored electronically in a central place. And it's used as evidence of payed benefits for x amount of time, eligibility for retirement and similar things.
- thesz 11y ago
  I think you are talking about трудовые книжки (work books) in relatively modern Russia. Basically, it is a resume in regulated form. Nothing more or less. Certainly not slavery book.
  - nxb 11y ago
    Talking about another country. Regardless, US culture says that this sort of thing gives the employer far too much power over the employee, and that there are plenty of unscrupulous employers who use that leverage against the employees to make them do what they want, far beyond what the US considers appropriate. EEU culture typically says the world is far worse without these books and that there couldn't possibly be any downsides that outweigh the costs, or that there are bandaids which could theoretically fix any problems with it. Neither side will likely ever convince the other side on this topic, so no point in arguing about it :)
Natsu 11y ago
Here, instead of permanent records, we just have credit reports and Facebook to preserve everything we ever did for all time.
- nxb 11y ago
  No, we're talking about something vastly more invasive. Beyond a certain extreme, they become very different things.
  - mistercow 11y ago
    Yeah I wonder if there's a name for this "eh, it's not so different here" fallacy. Just because we have related problems here doesn't mean that the magnitude is on the same level.

nxb 11y ago

But go talk to some people who've only ever experienced these types of business cultures, and they'll start listing for you a ton of reasons why it would be IMPOSSIBLE for the business world to operate as well or better, if it were any other way. These slavery books are still pretty common in parts of Europe too.

oblio 11y ago
Where in Europe?
- nxb 11y ago
  South Eastern Europe. I'm curious about how common it is elsewhere in Europe too.
  - Symbiote 11y ago
    As someone living in Western/Northern Europe, it's not clear to me what you mean. Can you describe it a bit more? The British government knew where I worked, through the tax system. They knew, more-or-less, where I lived, by my registration to vote (compulsory, though not well enforced as far as I know). Is that what you don't like?
  - ByatchMatch 11y ago
    I live in SEE. While we did have "work books" containing our employment history they were eliminated about 7 years ago. All that is now stored electronically in a central place. And it's used as evidence of payed benefits for x amount of time, eligibility for retirement and similar things.
thesz 11y ago
I think you are talking about трудовые книжки (work books) in relatively modern Russia. Basically, it is a resume in regulated form. Nothing more or less. Certainly not slavery book.
- nxb 11y ago
  Talking about another country. Regardless, US culture says that this sort of thing gives the employer far too much power over the employee, and that there are plenty of unscrupulous employers who use that leverage against the employees to make them do what they want, far beyond what the US considers appropriate. EEU culture typically says the world is far worse without these books and that there couldn't possibly be any downsides that outweigh the costs, or that there are bandaids which could theoretically fix any problems with it. Neither side will likely ever convince the other side on this topic, so no point in arguing about it :)

Natsu 11y ago

Here, instead of permanent records, we just have credit reports and Facebook to preserve everything we ever did for all time.

nxb 11y ago
No, we're talking about something vastly more invasive. Beyond a certain extreme, they become very different things.
- mistercow 11y ago
  Yeah I wonder if there's a name for this "eh, it's not so different here" fallacy. Just because we have related problems here doesn't mean that the magnitude is on the same level.