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So suppose a criminal breaks into your house. And he's got a knife, and you're frail, so you better shoot him. Add more details if you want, so it's clearly jus
by curi 19y ago
So suppose a criminal breaks into your house. And he's got a knife, and you're frail, so you better shoot him. Add more details if you want, so it's clearly justified self defense.
Now add a reason that doing this kills the criminal's innocent son. He left his son tied up at home, and was planning to untie the kid when he returned, but he never got home, and the kid wasn't found in time and starved to death. Or the man actually was a good father, but he and his son were involved in a dangerous project, and he would have been fine, but now without his father's help, he is killed.
So, defending yourself caused an innocent to die.
But it wasn't wrong of you to do that. The fault lies with the criminal. He is responsible for getting himself shot by breaking into your house and trying to rob and murder you. And because getting himself shot is his responsibility, so are the consequences. He got his own son killed, not you.
Agree so far?
- sgoraya 19y agoQuite possibly the stupidest argument ever made More innocent Palestinian children have died than all of the Israeli casualites put together Agreed? (If not, do a quick google search and you can compare #'s across several human rights groups)
- curi 19y agoYes, that is a fact. But, do you agree that morality is not a matter of counting dead people, and then declaring the bigger victim is in the right?
- sgoraya 19y agoVery much agreed - The nature of the conflict is such that both sides have legitimate arguments I suppose, but in my opinion, the IDF's actions border on war crimes - As a kid watching TV news many many years ago, an indelible image was left with me: A kid with a rock VS. a tank Anyhoo, back to hacking!!
- curi 19y agoOne of the notable things about those kinds of pictures, is you will see a Palestinian gunmen, in the midst of a crowd of "innocent bystanders". If they were so innocent, they'd get the hell away from the crazy, evil man with the gun, so he could be safely shot. Instead they act as human shields. And on the flip side, the gunman is perfectly happy to use them as human shields.
- rms 19y agoMore innocent Palestinian civilians have died than all of the Israeli casualties put together. But the Palestinian casualties would stop if their insane leadership would stop killing Israelis! Israel is between a rock and a hard place. Nothing they can do is right in the eyes of anyone. I was your typical liberal anti-zionist "omg the poor Palestians" Jew until about a month ago. I did the free trip to Israel sponsored by insane wealthy philanthropists and the Israeli government. http://www.birthrightisrael.com http://www.birthrightisrael.com (it's free with no catch, other than getting to experience brilliantly constructed propaganda -- they say you need to be Jewish to go along but they don't check. 2/3 of the people on my trip were atheist/secular, kind of like Israel itself. All that matters is that you are 18-26 at the time of the trip. Email me if you're interested in going, I can answer any questions.) My conclusion after the trip is that the Palestinians bring it on themselves. I wish that Israel would stop killing innocents. But if they made radical concessions, like completely removing their military from the occupied territories, tearing down the racist segregation wall, and returning East Jerusalem to Arab control, acts of terrorism would increase. So... I would love to hear what you or anyone think is the solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, keeping in mind that the truly ideal solution, making Jerusalem an international city, will never be agreed upon by the Palestinians.
- sgoraya 19y agoIts all a big mess my friend - I concede that I have no solution - Both sides have been at it for such a long time that I'm not sure a full fledged reconciliation will be accomplished - But we can hope though! (No more politics for me, it makes my head hurt)