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Thank you I was wondering where they got the data from. Shootings happen a lot in cities like Chicago every day, but they aren't always considered terrorism. J

Thank you I was wondering where they got the data from. Shootings happen a lot in cities like Chicago every day, but they aren't always considered terrorism. Just crimes. I had no idea right-wingers did a lot of terrorism, a bank robbery is terrorism? I don't know how they determine that. How do they determine the person is right-wing if they kill themselves during or after the attack? Are all white supremacists right-wing in nature? I find it odd that people like Trump get a lot of support while making racist statements, does this mean right-wingers are more racist and there are a lot more white supremacists out there we have to worry about?

dalke 11y ago
You know, it is possible for you to do the same research as I. The source information was in the original article, and details of the bank robbery is a web search away. The 2004 Tulsa OK, Bank Robbery was from a father/son pair who wanted "to get money to be able to retaliate against the government because of its role in the standoffs at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in 1992, and Waco, Texas, in 1993." - http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/father-and-son-convicted-on-robbery-murder-anti-government-plot.html http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrori... Quoting http://www.securityinfowatch.com/news/10594789/guilty-father-and-son-convicted-of-murder-of-bank-security-guard http://www.securityinfowatch.com/news/10594789/guilty-father... : > Wade Lay, who is not an attorney but who is handling his own legal defense, testified Monday that the bank money was sought "to buy adequate weapons." ... > From the witness stand, Christopher Lay acknowledged Friday that he had compiled a list of people who he thought were responsible for the deaths of about 80 Branch Davidians, who died in 1993 in a fiery end to a 51-day standoff with law enforcement agents and federal officials in Waco, Texas. > That "hit list" had 15 names designated as the "enemy," Drummond said. > Wade Lay said that "we planned on holding the people who murdered those people accountable," because the government had not. I'm certain you can investigate the specific details to your own satisfaction. Regarding cases where the killer is dead, well, the evidence for the Tallahassee Police Ambush is rather weak: http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2015/01/09/curtis-wade-holley/21354561/ http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2015/01/09/curti... . The site https://herestherealnews.wordpress.com/2015/08/29/debunking-new-americas-terrorism-study/ https://herestherealnews.wordpress.com/2015/08/29/debunking-... rejects many of the non-jihadist examples. Do note that any such post-hoc qualifiers also change other statistics, eg, how many of the terror plots listed at https://web.archive.org/web/20150214055837/http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plots https://web.archive.org/web/20150214055837/http://securityda... are no longer valid plots under more stringent guidelines? That "herestherealnews" page shows the problem with post hoc re-classification. Towards the end it says: > The study also makes no mention of leftist terrorism, like the murder of Jim Pouillion, murders of NYPD officers, the murder of two journalists a few days ago and the massacre of 8 white “racists” in 2010. There are of course the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and various mob attacks in retaliation for police killings as well. but at the top it says: > So according to data from this study the average american muslim is about 39 times more likely to commit a terrorist murder than the average white american. If they did the analysis to completion, they would have established that non-jihadist terrorism in the US was even higher than what this study concluded, giving a ratio below 39x. You'll also note that the list is certain to be complete with regard to jihadist terrorism, but may leave out some forms of domestic crime that may be regarded as terrorism, such as the 2009 assassination of George Tiller by an anti-abortionist. Thus, factors like "39x" can't really be taken at face value but rather as an upper bound.
GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
"there are a lot more white supremacists out there we have to worry about?" Oh, yeah.

dalke 11y ago

You know, it is possible for you to do the same research as I. The source information was in the original article, and details of the bank robbery is a web search away. The 2004 Tulsa OK, Bank Robbery was from a father/son pair who wanted "to get money to be able to retaliate against the government because of its role in the standoffs at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in 1992, and Waco, Texas, in 1993." - http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/father-and-son-convicted-on-robbery-murder-anti-government-plot.html http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrori... Quoting http://www.securityinfowatch.com/news/10594789/guilty-father-and-son-convicted-of-murder-of-bank-security-guard http://www.securityinfowatch.com/news/10594789/guilty-father... : > Wade Lay, who is not an attorney but who is handling his own legal defense, testified Monday that the bank money was sought "to buy adequate weapons." ... > From the witness stand, Christopher Lay acknowledged Friday that he had compiled a list of people who he thought were responsible for the deaths of about 80 Branch Davidians, who died in 1993 in a fiery end to a 51-day standoff with law enforcement agents and federal officials in Waco, Texas. > That "hit list" had 15 names designated as the "enemy," Drummond said. > Wade Lay said that "we planned on holding the people who murdered those people accountable," because the government had not. I'm certain you can investigate the specific details to your own satisfaction. Regarding cases where the killer is dead, well, the evidence for the Tallahassee Police Ambush is rather weak: http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2015/01/09/curtis-wade-holley/21354561/ http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/local/2015/01/09/curti... . The site https://herestherealnews.wordpress.com/2015/08/29/debunking-new-americas-terrorism-study/ https://herestherealnews.wordpress.com/2015/08/29/debunking-... rejects many of the non-jihadist examples. Do note that any such post-hoc qualifiers also change other statistics, eg, how many of the terror plots listed at https://web.archive.org/web/20150214055837/http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/terror-plots https://web.archive.org/web/20150214055837/http://securityda... are no longer valid plots under more stringent guidelines? That "herestherealnews" page shows the problem with post hoc re-classification. Towards the end it says: > The study also makes no mention of leftist terrorism, like the murder of Jim Pouillion, murders of NYPD officers, the murder of two journalists a few days ago and the massacre of 8 white “racists” in 2010. There are of course the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore and various mob attacks in retaliation for police killings as well. but at the top it says: > So according to data from this study the average american muslim is about 39 times more likely to commit a terrorist murder than the average white american. If they did the analysis to completion, they would have established that non-jihadist terrorism in the US was even higher than what this study concluded, giving a ratio below 39x. You'll also note that the list is certain to be complete with regard to jihadist terrorism, but may leave out some forms of domestic crime that may be regarded as terrorism, such as the 2009 assassination of George Tiller by an anti-abortionist. Thus, factors like "39x" can't really be taken at face value but rather as an upper bound.

GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago

"there are a lot more white supremacists out there we have to worry about?" Oh, yeah.