I'm definitely aware of the Hollywood effect re: gunshots. :-) My main complaint with Havok is that once ragdoll mode is activated (usually upon a character's

I'm definitely aware of the Hollywood effect re: gunshots. :-) My main complaint with Havok is that once ragdoll mode is activated (usually upon a character's death or an explosion causes them to loose footing), their limbs essentially become spaghetti and flail about wildly. It breaks the immersion for me. A classic example of this is found in Dark Messiah of Might and Magic. Pretty fun to go through that game beating 90% of the enemies by kicking them into/off of things.