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I have to be honest, if some kind of student-loan amnesty ever goes into effect, I'll be a little pissed that I prioritized paying mine off with my earnings for

by douche 11y ago

I have to be honest, if some kind of student-loan amnesty ever goes into effect, I'll be a little pissed that I prioritized paying mine off with my earnings for the first half-dozen years out of school. Just imagine what I could have done with those tens of thousands of dollars instead...

littletimmy 11y ago
I know right! Someone else would be better off without making you worse off... The horror! If I can't have it, they can't!
- chimeracoder 11y ago
  > Someone else would be better off without making you worse off That money doesn't come from nowhere; someone is paying for it. Student loans are already provided at below-market interest rates[0], which means they're being subsidized by taxpayers, either explicitly or implicitly. [0] Not all student loans, but the majority if not all of undergraduate federal student loans
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- notacoward 11y ago
  It's not just about who's better or worse off. It's about the basic principles of meeting one's obligations and of applying the law equally. Would you be equally flippant about a law allowing any other group to shed their obligations without consequences? Bankers, perhaps? Or members of any ethnic group other than your own? It wouldn't affect you directly, as you'd be neither the debtor nor the creditor. Those people would be better off without you being worse off . . . except that we're all worse off when the foundations of civil society are weakened. The situation with corrupt lenders and pseudo-educational institutions leaving others with nothing but massive debt cries out for relief. However, that relief should extend to a ll those who have been victimized - not just those who have yet to pay. Laughing or sneering at those who paid already, because it was both legally required and financially prudent that they do so, is pretty abhorrent.
  - littletimmy 11y ago
    "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." - Anatole France To hell with your laws when they serve to oppress.
    - notacoward 11y ago
      Such a binary either/or kind of thinking. Reductionist, too. Did it ever occur to you that there are better and worse ways to deal with bad laws, or bad application of laws? Anarchy is a markedly inferior alternative which every time in history has only enabled a new set of oligarchs to rise.
    - thescribe 11y ago
      But is it clear this this law oppresses?

by douche 11y ago

littletimmy 11y ago

I know right! Someone else would be better off without making you worse off... The horror! If I can't have it, they can't!

chimeracoder 11y ago
> Someone else would be better off without making you worse off That money doesn't come from nowhere; someone is paying for it. Student loans are already provided at below-market interest rates[0], which means they're being subsidized by taxpayers, either explicitly or implicitly. [0] Not all student loans, but the majority if not all of undergraduate federal student loans
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notacoward 11y ago
It's not just about who's better or worse off. It's about the basic principles of meeting one's obligations and of applying the law equally. Would you be equally flippant about a law allowing any other group to shed their obligations without consequences? Bankers, perhaps? Or members of any ethnic group other than your own? It wouldn't affect you directly, as you'd be neither the debtor nor the creditor. Those people would be better off without you being worse off . . . except that we're all worse off when the foundations of civil society are weakened. The situation with corrupt lenders and pseudo-educational institutions leaving others with nothing but massive debt cries out for relief. However, that relief should extend to a ll those who have been victimized - not just those who have yet to pay. Laughing or sneering at those who paid already, because it was both legally required and financially prudent that they do so, is pretty abhorrent.
- littletimmy 11y ago
  "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." - Anatole France To hell with your laws when they serve to oppress.
  - notacoward 11y ago
    Such a binary either/or kind of thinking. Reductionist, too. Did it ever occur to you that there are better and worse ways to deal with bad laws, or bad application of laws? Anarchy is a markedly inferior alternative which every time in history has only enabled a new set of oligarchs to rise.
  - thescribe 11y ago
    But is it clear this this law oppresses?