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I would not want to live in a world where all websites look like yours.

by usaphp 11y ago

pdkl95 11y ago
So change your User Agent so the website renders the way you like. That is the entire point of HTML; the client decides how to render the page, with the HTML (and CSS) optionally providing suggestions. In the case of this website, the author has decided to leave the question of how to render the page almost entirely to the client, Even in the early Netscape days the Navigator browser supported setting the default font sizes and colors. These options are still available today. If you want more control over the default rendering, you may want to submit a feature request for your browser of choice, but you may be able to simply edit the default stylesheet.
- usaphp 11y ago
  > So change your User Agent so the website renders the way you like So if I visit 100 different websites daily, and most of them are the ones I've never seen before - I will have to spend half of my life just writing stylesheets for each of them? No, thanks, It's not a world I want to live in...
  - pdkl95 11y ago
    Ok, do you seriously not understand what it means to be the default stylesheet? Have you ever actually changed the font setting in the browser? I didn't say anything about writing custom stylesheet for a particular website. I said you should change your user agent so it renders html in the style you want. You do this ONCE.
    - jordanlev 11y ago
      Ok, do you seriously not understand what it means to not want every website you come across to look the same? (Even if it's the same of your own choosing). Design, fashion, and art aside... how can 1 design or style even work for the entire range of websites and web apps? UX is important, and must be different depending on the goals of the site.
      - pdkl95 11y ago
        > Ok, do you seriously not understand what it means to not want every website you come across to look the same? Yes. Does you get annoyed that most books have the same formatting - a style you didn't get to choose? My mother absolutely loves her kindle, because it let her do exactly what I'm talking about and apply a font that she can actually read to all books. > how can 1 design or style even work for the entire range of websites and web apps? Of course not. That's why HTML let you specify styling to override the default stylesheet in the cases when it is important. More importantly, I never said anything about not styling your pages, nor did I claim one style should apply to ll pages on the internet. I replied to a post complaining about the DEFAULT STYLE. I suggested that it is the responsibility of the client to render that style as they like. How, exactly, does this get in the way of your ability to apply formatting?
- PavlovsCat 11y ago
  > These options are still available today. Not like they used to make them though, at least not out of the box :( http://www.opera.com/docs/usercss/ http://www.opera.com/docs/usercss/ http://slashdot.org/story/02/12/18/1328245/opera-gives-that-c64-feel http://slashdot.org/story/02/12/18/1328245/opera-gives-that-... In Firefox, I see options to change font sizes and colors, but nothing to select a default stylesheet. I know it's bound to be in about:config, but it might as well not exist then. Opera had it right there in the "view" menu, changing between author and user mode took two clicks, selecting a user stylesheet took three, while it takes me four clicks in FF to realize it doesn't even have that option, and mere common sense to not even bother checking in Chrome. Progress!

I would not want to live in a world where all websites look like yours.

by usaphp 11y ago

I would not want to live in a world where all websites look like yours.

So change your User Agent so the website renders the way you like. That is the entire point of HTML; the client decides how to render the page, with the HTML (and CSS) optionally providing suggestions. In the case of this website, the author has decided to leave the question of how to render the page almost entirely to the client, Even in the early Netscape days the Navigator browser supported setting the default font sizes and colors. These options are still available today. If you want more control over the default rendering, you may want to submit a feature request for your browser of choice, but you may be able to simply edit the default stylesheet.

usaphp 11y ago
> So change your User Agent so the website renders the way you like So if I visit 100 different websites daily, and most of them are the ones I've never seen before - I will have to spend half of my life just writing stylesheets for each of them? No, thanks, It's not a world I want to live in...
- pdkl95 11y ago
  Ok, do you seriously not understand what it means to be the default stylesheet? Have you ever actually changed the font setting in the browser? I didn't say anything about writing custom stylesheet for a particular website. I said you should change your user agent so it renders html in the style you want. You do this ONCE.
  - jordanlev 11y ago
    Ok, do you seriously not understand what it means to not want every website you come across to look the same? (Even if it's the same of your own choosing). Design, fashion, and art aside... how can 1 design or style even work for the entire range of websites and web apps? UX is important, and must be different depending on the goals of the site.
    - pdkl95 11y ago
      > Ok, do you seriously not understand what it means to not want every website you come across to look the same? Yes. Does you get annoyed that most books have the same formatting - a style you didn't get to choose? My mother absolutely loves her kindle, because it let her do exactly what I'm talking about and apply a font that she can actually read to all books. > how can 1 design or style even work for the entire range of websites and web apps? Of course not. That's why HTML let you specify styling to override the default stylesheet in the cases when it is important. More importantly, I never said anything about not styling your pages, nor did I claim one style should apply to ll pages on the internet. I replied to a post complaining about the DEFAULT STYLE. I suggested that it is the responsibility of the client to render that style as they like. How, exactly, does this get in the way of your ability to apply formatting?
PavlovsCat 11y ago
> These options are still available today. Not like they used to make them though, at least not out of the box :( http://www.opera.com/docs/usercss/ http://www.opera.com/docs/usercss/ http://slashdot.org/story/02/12/18/1328245/opera-gives-that-c64-feel http://slashdot.org/story/02/12/18/1328245/opera-gives-that-... In Firefox, I see options to change font sizes and colors, but nothing to select a default stylesheet. I know it's bound to be in about:config, but it might as well not exist then. Opera had it right there in the "view" menu, changing between author and user mode took two clicks, selecting a user stylesheet took three, while it takes me four clicks in FF to realize it doesn't even have that option, and mere common sense to not even bother checking in Chrome. Progress!