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Web Fonts Performance

113 points by nnx 11y ago

mrmondo 11y ago
I've found the performance of web fonts to become more of a problem over the past year or so, I guess this is as their popularity has increased. 1. Privacy It's well known that companies such as Google and Adobe use web fonts to track users that may not even (knowingly) be their customers. 2. Performance Just last week I logged a bug with our developers when our monitoring started picking up that one of their staging / demo sites was taking a long time to render, turns out they were using a web font provided by Hoefler & Co's 'typography.com' which is incredibly slow to load, here's the waterfall of the page load: http://i.imgur.com/riNT3hH.png http://i.imgur.com/riNT3hH.png
- dingaling 11y ago
  3. Readability My enjoyment of the web improved immensely when I disabled font selection on web pages and imposed my own serif font over them all. Occasionally this does result in breakages when a particular site relies on icons embedded in a web font but I accept that as the cost of my choice.
  - chrisan 11y ago
    Speaking of readability, I cannot stand these 200 weight thin fonts that only look good on a "retina" device places choose to use sometimes
    - mrmondo 11y ago
      Personally I really like extra light fonts, I find them much more readable.
    - knight17 11y ago
      I also have the same feeling that thin fonts look ugly on my humble LCD screen with dismal resolution and low ppi. I was once complaining to a friend how ugly site X is and he said it looked right to him; later when I saw his machine it has a nice display that made site X look twice as better on my shitty display. Lots of sites are designed on (and for?) high density displays and it ends up looking awful on low resolution screens like mine.
      - 9248 11y ago
        It's baffling for me that designers/coders don't realize that desktop and laptop display panels are probably the first thing a manufacturer will look at when it comes to cutting some corners and lowering the overall price of the product. Also most 'normal' users will never pay the x4-x10 premium price for some fancy IPS display and calibrate its colors.
- spankalee 11y ago
  > It's well known that companies such as Google and Adobe use web fonts to track users that may not even (knowingly) be their customers. Citation? Google Web Fonts explicitly doesn't use any cookies or track users in any way: https://developers.google.com/fonts/faq?hl=en#what-does-using-the-google-fonts-api-mean-for-the-privacy-of-my-users https://developers.google.com/fonts/faq?hl=en#what-does-usin...
- kzrdude 11y ago
  How can typography.com still have customers, if it looks like this? Did they budget for those 2 seconds extra load time while they set up the new design?
  - Theodores 11y ago
    Now there is a story... On the website I work on we had some horrid typography.com font loaded, which was theoretically a good idea, once upon a time. Since this is a legacy site I work on with whomever having worked on it before, I realised that there was no significant content using this font, in fact it was only in email templates (not that email does web fonts). So I ripped the little blighter out. I added in some 'lookalike' fonts from Google in the places where the typography.com font should have been, all looked improved, everything worked. But then we hire some new clowns to do some new theme. Obviously I am typecast as a 'backend dev' so I was not privy to whatever those conversations were. So the typography.com font is back in use! Fantastic (not)!!! So the same process that led to the last awful frontend (get some agency that don't care about our product to project manage something to death) results in the reappearance of the same awful font technology. That sir is how typography.com still get customers. The marketing people, the managers that have no technical skills, the print designer and some outside agency just do it even though (four months earlier) the only coder in the building speeded up the site and made it vaguely legible by getting rid of the silly typography.com junk. I am very much a believer in design which is content first and, as Steve Jobs said, 'how it works'. I too like a good font and always inspect a page where the typography stands out as I like to be informed on font names and combinations. I am also a believer in going for AA accessibility. Obviously the typography.com font will be spidery grey text against a grey background, not accessible!
- jrochkind1 11y ago
  I tried to look into this once, and I _think_ Google's license for the free fonts, allows you to download all the font assets and serve them yourself if you want too. If you want to trade the convenience of google hosting for your own local hosting (or more likely your own CDN), to avoid tracking and have your own control of performance. But I wasn't even completely sure I was reading Google's licenses right (and I don't have notes to track what docs I was looking at, sorry), and then other hosts like Adobe are another thing entirely.
  - kps 11y ago
    All the Google-served web fonts are open source, mostly OFL or Apache licensed. https://github.com/google/fonts https://github.com/google/fonts
vortico 11y ago
I'll admit I didn't know about the HTML link preload feature. This presentation does a good job at emphasizing (but hopefully not exaggerating) its effectiveness. However, may I suggest a completely radical alternative at optimizing your webpages? Don't just avoid Web Fonts, avoid CSS altogether. Take a look at my website. Did you notice how fast it loaded, despite not using a CDN? Of course, this is a bit tongue-in-cheek. There are many legitimate uses of styling web pages, but for websites whose purpose is simply to convey information (the main reason people were excited about the WWW in the 90's), I personally think unstyle'd, or mostly unstyled HTML is the best way to go.
- usaphp 11y ago
  I would not want to live in a world where all websites look like yours.
  - pdkl95 11y ago
    So change your User Agent so the website renders the way you like. That is the entire point of HTML; the client decides how to render the page, with the HTML (and CSS) optionally providing suggestions. In the case of this website, the author has decided to leave the question of how to render the page almost entirely to the client, Even in the early Netscape days the Navigator browser supported setting the default font sizes and colors. These options are still available today. If you want more control over the default rendering, you may want to submit a feature request for your browser of choice, but you may be able to simply edit the default stylesheet.
    - usaphp 11y ago
      > So change your User Agent so the website renders the way you like So if I visit 100 different websites daily, and most of them are the ones I've never seen before - I will have to spend half of my life just writing stylesheets for each of them? No, thanks, It's not a world I want to live in...
      - pdkl95 11y ago
ksec 11y ago
Can we not have a way to count, the most used Javascript, and Web Front in the most popular worldwide 500 Website in one And these will always be cached by one Repository, and all browser maker will constantly check and update a same copy of cache within the users computer? It will save lots of Request, and latency.
- jordanlev 11y ago
  Not a bad thought. But I wonder if the "political problems" would be too much to overcome. For example, I'm sure some of those most-popular fonts require a license, and I don't know how TypeKit/fonts.com/etc would work if those weren't hosted from their own servers.
  - ksec 11y ago
    We could leave out the non-free stuff for a start. What other political problems are there? In a perfect world, these most popular website would have their Script and Fonts in CDN and be cached already. But what we are seeing is that still lot of the same stuff used around still not being cached.
DiabloD3 11y ago
Prefetch is interesting, but with Google Fonts, the target URL will be unpredictable due to browser detection techniques.
ck2 11y ago
Too much work for 30ms speedup. However link preload seems to be golden. But what is preload vs prefetch? Ah firefox will only prefetch when the browser is idle. So we have to wait for preload support. http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-prefetch http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-prefetch http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-prerender http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-prerender http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-preconnect http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-preconnect (doesn't work as of 10/2015) http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-preload http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-preload http://www.w3.org/TR/preload/#introduction http://www.w3.org/TR/preload/#introduction
buro9 11y ago
Use preconnect headers: https://www.igvita.com/2015/08/17/eliminating-roundtrips-with-preconnect/ https://www.igvita.com/2015/08/17/eliminating-roundtrips-wit... That is all you should do, it will land in Chrome stable shortly and is already in Firefox.
- ck2 11y ago
  Maybe a year from now: http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-preconnect http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-preconnect
jeremyw 11y ago
Note this is also relevant to any external dependency, re degraded performance and outright failures of third-party hosting. Apply to all vendors. (See sibling comment about typography.com failure mode.)
captn3m0 11y ago
While we are discussing web fonts, I think I should point out my Chrome extension that disables Web Fonts on all websites (or tries to). Uses Request filters, and I made it because I was trying to minimise bandwidth usage on a metered EDGE connection long time back. (Opera Turbo is best for that, but Chrome is a better browser). [0]: http://github.com/captn3m0/disable-web-fonts http://github.com/captn3m0/disable-web-fonts [1]: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/olmabeadgbpmhllgdkemfdnmkngkbkeg https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/olmabeadgbpmhllgdk...
- mmahemoff 11y ago
  Wouldn't this break sites using icon fonts (e.g. Font Awesome)?
  - tedunangst 11y ago
    Yes. You get a long series of squares (maybe with hex codes if you're lucky) instead of icons. I try to avoid using such sites when possible. (this notably includes github and twitter).
  - paradite 11y ago
    Maybe one alternative is to have fonts like Font Awesome built into the browsers, although I am not sure if that is practical.
    - kuschku 11y ago
      Or that you download the font once, manually, and install it.
    - adsche 11y ago
      I liked this comment [1] from earlier: Use ligatures. That way, a meaningful text could be displyed when the font is not loaded, but fuses into a symbol with the appropriate font. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10326630 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10326630
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dingdingdang 11y ago
OK, here's the breakdown from all those slides to get parallel loading (on new browsers) and avoid FOUT (flash of unstyled text) each pageload: http://piratepad.nl/ep/pad/view/rirCTCqTPZ/HFjj5IyqJD http://piratepad.nl/ep/pad/view/rirCTCqTPZ/HFjj5IyqJD
- kuschku 11y ago
  By the way, as someone who often uses mobile connections: I will skin you alive if you hide text before the fonts loaded Seriously. FLOUT is NOT in any way bad. Stop trying to hide the unstyled text, I don't have 20 minutes to wait for your shitty webfont to load. If you do hide your unstyled text, I'll instantly leave your website again.
BillinghamJ 11y ago
For Safari, I made this user style sheet (set on the Advanced tab of Safari Preferences): https://gist.github.com/billinghamj/d789c0bbfe97131da04e https://gist.github.com/billinghamj/d789c0bbfe97131da04e It disables web fonts for all uses except icons.
ivan_ah 11y ago
The OP mentions font loading starts as soon as a .css directive using the font is encountered, which makes me think the initial html page load could include a tiny snippet of .css with the font defs and a dummy styling instruction that use the font. The idea is to load the rest of the .css in parallel with the .woffs. Would this work? I guess prefetch does exactly that, but wondering if the "hack" would work.
- jrochkind1 11y ago
  That seems worth pursuing. I'd want to verify that when the font is loaded this way, it's loaded async, and doesn't stop further asset loading until complete. Or else it might not be a great solution.
evmar 11y ago
Caveat: the slides indicate you can indicate prefetching via an HTTP header but in my local testing (and subsequent Googling) it appears that doesn't work in Chrome (perhaps it's Firefox-specific?). Edit: found the relevant bug: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=58456 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=58456
signaler 11y ago
There is a switch in Chromium where one can disable remote fonts entirely. Obviously not for the average user, and more of a power-user thing, but still handy: --disable-remote-fonts You can find a tonne of other optimizations you can do to Chromium here: peter.sh/feed/chromium-command-line-switches Also if you want fonts that load faster than Google Wenfonts, have a look at http://brick.im/ http://brick.im/ I use Brick on a tonne of different side projects, and there is a marked decrease in loading time. Brick uses Fastly, which is (arguably) a faster CDN than Google Webfonts and other webfont initiatives like Adobe Webfonts. Also using Brick is another chance to ban Google from your web traffic as many are doing...Google is like a barnacle that is stuck to the web and is hard to remove entirely without them slurping some of your data
- tadfisher 11y ago
  Unfortunately, this is a Tragedy of the Commons issue, where the ever-expanding list of webfont hosts results in a detrimental experience for users, where otherwise a single popular host would result in a much higher likelihood of cache hits. Not saying you shouldn't use the best solution for you. In fact, I ship code that hits the Hoefler & Co. webfont CDN because it's the only source for the fonts we use.
jrochkind1 11y ago
These seem like good techniques. But I still don't consider reliable FOUT a victory -- it's still annoying as a reader. I'm not sure if the final slide cross this out because his design has a solution to it, or because he decides not to consider it a problem. I _think_ the latter maybe? (Slidedeck without the accompanying narrative can be hard to interpret sometimes!). If so, I disagree, reliable FOUT with otherwise quick loading may be the lesser evil in the present environment, but it's still annoying.
pg_is_a_butt 11y ago
one of the best decks i've ever seen. very well done.

113 points by nnx 11y ago

I've found the performance of web fonts to become more of a problem over the past year or so, I guess this is as their popularity has increased. 1. Privacy It's well known that companies such as Google and Adobe use web fonts to track users that may not even (knowingly) be their customers. 2. Performance Just last week I logged a bug with our developers when our monitoring started picking up that one of their staging / demo sites was taking a long time to render, turns out they were using a web font provided by Hoefler & Co's 'typography.com' which is incredibly slow to load, here's the waterfall of the page load: http://i.imgur.com/riNT3hH.png http://i.imgur.com/riNT3hH.png

dingaling 11y ago
3. Readability My enjoyment of the web improved immensely when I disabled font selection on web pages and imposed my own serif font over them all. Occasionally this does result in breakages when a particular site relies on icons embedded in a web font but I accept that as the cost of my choice.
- chrisan 11y ago
  Speaking of readability, I cannot stand these 200 weight thin fonts that only look good on a "retina" device places choose to use sometimes
  - mrmondo 11y ago
    Personally I really like extra light fonts, I find them much more readable.
  - knight17 11y ago
    I also have the same feeling that thin fonts look ugly on my humble LCD screen with dismal resolution and low ppi. I was once complaining to a friend how ugly site X is and he said it looked right to him; later when I saw his machine it has a nice display that made site X look twice as better on my shitty display. Lots of sites are designed on (and for?) high density displays and it ends up looking awful on low resolution screens like mine.
    - 9248 11y ago
      It's baffling for me that designers/coders don't realize that desktop and laptop display panels are probably the first thing a manufacturer will look at when it comes to cutting some corners and lowering the overall price of the product. Also most 'normal' users will never pay the x4-x10 premium price for some fancy IPS display and calibrate its colors.
spankalee 11y ago
> It's well known that companies such as Google and Adobe use web fonts to track users that may not even (knowingly) be their customers. Citation? Google Web Fonts explicitly doesn't use any cookies or track users in any way: https://developers.google.com/fonts/faq?hl=en#what-does-using-the-google-fonts-api-mean-for-the-privacy-of-my-users https://developers.google.com/fonts/faq?hl=en#what-does-usin...
kzrdude 11y ago
How can typography.com still have customers, if it looks like this? Did they budget for those 2 seconds extra load time while they set up the new design?
- Theodores 11y ago
  Now there is a story... On the website I work on we had some horrid typography.com font loaded, which was theoretically a good idea, once upon a time. Since this is a legacy site I work on with whomever having worked on it before, I realised that there was no significant content using this font, in fact it was only in email templates (not that email does web fonts). So I ripped the little blighter out. I added in some 'lookalike' fonts from Google in the places where the typography.com font should have been, all looked improved, everything worked. But then we hire some new clowns to do some new theme. Obviously I am typecast as a 'backend dev' so I was not privy to whatever those conversations were. So the typography.com font is back in use! Fantastic (not)!!! So the same process that led to the last awful frontend (get some agency that don't care about our product to project manage something to death) results in the reappearance of the same awful font technology. That sir is how typography.com still get customers. The marketing people, the managers that have no technical skills, the print designer and some outside agency just do it even though (four months earlier) the only coder in the building speeded up the site and made it vaguely legible by getting rid of the silly typography.com junk. I am very much a believer in design which is content first and, as Steve Jobs said, 'how it works'. I too like a good font and always inspect a page where the typography stands out as I like to be informed on font names and combinations. I am also a believer in going for AA accessibility. Obviously the typography.com font will be spidery grey text against a grey background, not accessible!
jrochkind1 11y ago
I tried to look into this once, and I _think_ Google's license for the free fonts, allows you to download all the font assets and serve them yourself if you want too. If you want to trade the convenience of google hosting for your own local hosting (or more likely your own CDN), to avoid tracking and have your own control of performance. But I wasn't even completely sure I was reading Google's licenses right (and I don't have notes to track what docs I was looking at, sorry), and then other hosts like Adobe are another thing entirely.
- kps 11y ago
  All the Google-served web fonts are open source, mostly OFL or Apache licensed. https://github.com/google/fonts https://github.com/google/fonts

vortico 11y ago

I'll admit I didn't know about the HTML link preload feature. This presentation does a good job at emphasizing (but hopefully not exaggerating) its effectiveness. However, may I suggest a completely radical alternative at optimizing your webpages? Don't just avoid Web Fonts, avoid CSS altogether. Take a look at my website. Did you notice how fast it loaded, despite not using a CDN? Of course, this is a bit tongue-in-cheek. There are many legitimate uses of styling web pages, but for websites whose purpose is simply to convey information (the main reason people were excited about the WWW in the 90's), I personally think unstyle'd, or mostly unstyled HTML is the best way to go.

usaphp 11y ago
I would not want to live in a world where all websites look like yours.
- pdkl95 11y ago
  So change your User Agent so the website renders the way you like. That is the entire point of HTML; the client decides how to render the page, with the HTML (and CSS) optionally providing suggestions. In the case of this website, the author has decided to leave the question of how to render the page almost entirely to the client, Even in the early Netscape days the Navigator browser supported setting the default font sizes and colors. These options are still available today. If you want more control over the default rendering, you may want to submit a feature request for your browser of choice, but you may be able to simply edit the default stylesheet.
  - usaphp 11y ago
    > So change your User Agent so the website renders the way you like So if I visit 100 different websites daily, and most of them are the ones I've never seen before - I will have to spend half of my life just writing stylesheets for each of them? No, thanks, It's not a world I want to live in...
    - pdkl95 11y ago

ksec 11y ago

Can we not have a way to count, the most used Javascript, and Web Front in the most popular worldwide 500 Website in one And these will always be cached by one Repository, and all browser maker will constantly check and update a same copy of cache within the users computer? It will save lots of Request, and latency.

jordanlev 11y ago
Not a bad thought. But I wonder if the "political problems" would be too much to overcome. For example, I'm sure some of those most-popular fonts require a license, and I don't know how TypeKit/fonts.com/etc would work if those weren't hosted from their own servers.
- ksec 11y ago
  We could leave out the non-free stuff for a start. What other political problems are there? In a perfect world, these most popular website would have their Script and Fonts in CDN and be cached already. But what we are seeing is that still lot of the same stuff used around still not being cached.

DiabloD3 11y ago

Prefetch is interesting, but with Google Fonts, the target URL will be unpredictable due to browser detection techniques.

ck2 11y ago

Too much work for 30ms speedup. However link preload seems to be golden. But what is preload vs prefetch? Ah firefox will only prefetch when the browser is idle. So we have to wait for preload support. http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-prefetch http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-prefetch http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-prerender http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-prerender http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-preconnect http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-preconnect (doesn't work as of 10/2015) http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-preload http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-preload http://www.w3.org/TR/preload/#introduction http://www.w3.org/TR/preload/#introduction

buro9 11y ago

Use preconnect headers: https://www.igvita.com/2015/08/17/eliminating-roundtrips-with-preconnect/ https://www.igvita.com/2015/08/17/eliminating-roundtrips-wit... That is all you should do, it will land in Chrome stable shortly and is already in Firefox.

ck2 11y ago
Maybe a year from now: http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-preconnect http://caniuse.com/#feat=link-rel-preconnect

jeremyw 11y ago

Note this is also relevant to any external dependency, re degraded performance and outright failures of third-party hosting. Apply to all vendors. (See sibling comment about typography.com failure mode.)

captn3m0 11y ago

While we are discussing web fonts, I think I should point out my Chrome extension that disables Web Fonts on all websites (or tries to). Uses Request filters, and I made it because I was trying to minimise bandwidth usage on a metered EDGE connection long time back. (Opera Turbo is best for that, but Chrome is a better browser). [0]: http://github.com/captn3m0/disable-web-fonts http://github.com/captn3m0/disable-web-fonts [1]: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/olmabeadgbpmhllgdkemfdnmkngkbkeg https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/olmabeadgbpmhllgdk...

mmahemoff 11y ago
Wouldn't this break sites using icon fonts (e.g. Font Awesome)?
- tedunangst 11y ago
  Yes. You get a long series of squares (maybe with hex codes if you're lucky) instead of icons. I try to avoid using such sites when possible. (this notably includes github and twitter).
- paradite 11y ago
  Maybe one alternative is to have fonts like Font Awesome built into the browsers, although I am not sure if that is practical.
  - kuschku 11y ago
    Or that you download the font once, manually, and install it.
  - adsche 11y ago
    I liked this comment [1] from earlier: Use ligatures. That way, a meaningful text could be displyed when the font is not loaded, but fuses into a symbol with the appropriate font. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10326630 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10326630
11y ago

dingdingdang 11y ago

OK, here's the breakdown from all those slides to get parallel loading (on new browsers) and avoid FOUT (flash of unstyled text) each pageload: http://piratepad.nl/ep/pad/view/rirCTCqTPZ/HFjj5IyqJD http://piratepad.nl/ep/pad/view/rirCTCqTPZ/HFjj5IyqJD

kuschku 11y ago
By the way, as someone who often uses mobile connections: I will skin you alive if you hide text before the fonts loaded Seriously. FLOUT is NOT in any way bad. Stop trying to hide the unstyled text, I don't have 20 minutes to wait for your shitty webfont to load. If you do hide your unstyled text, I'll instantly leave your website again.

BillinghamJ 11y ago

For Safari, I made this user style sheet (set on the Advanced tab of Safari Preferences): https://gist.github.com/billinghamj/d789c0bbfe97131da04e https://gist.github.com/billinghamj/d789c0bbfe97131da04e It disables web fonts for all uses except icons.

ivan_ah 11y ago

The OP mentions font loading starts as soon as a .css directive using the font is encountered, which makes me think the initial html page load could include a tiny snippet of .css with the font defs and a dummy styling instruction that use the font. The idea is to load the rest of the .css in parallel with the .woffs. Would this work? I guess prefetch does exactly that, but wondering if the "hack" would work.

jrochkind1 11y ago
That seems worth pursuing. I'd want to verify that when the font is loaded this way, it's loaded async, and doesn't stop further asset loading until complete. Or else it might not be a great solution.

evmar 11y ago

Caveat: the slides indicate you can indicate prefetching via an HTTP header but in my local testing (and subsequent Googling) it appears that doesn't work in Chrome (perhaps it's Firefox-specific?). Edit: found the relevant bug: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=58456 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=58456

signaler 11y ago

There is a switch in Chromium where one can disable remote fonts entirely. Obviously not for the average user, and more of a power-user thing, but still handy: --disable-remote-fonts You can find a tonne of other optimizations you can do to Chromium here: peter.sh/feed/chromium-command-line-switches Also if you want fonts that load faster than Google Wenfonts, have a look at http://brick.im/ http://brick.im/ I use Brick on a tonne of different side projects, and there is a marked decrease in loading time. Brick uses Fastly, which is (arguably) a faster CDN than Google Webfonts and other webfont initiatives like Adobe Webfonts. Also using Brick is another chance to ban Google from your web traffic as many are doing...Google is like a barnacle that is stuck to the web and is hard to remove entirely without them slurping some of your data

tadfisher 11y ago
Unfortunately, this is a Tragedy of the Commons issue, where the ever-expanding list of webfont hosts results in a detrimental experience for users, where otherwise a single popular host would result in a much higher likelihood of cache hits. Not saying you shouldn't use the best solution for you. In fact, I ship code that hits the Hoefler & Co. webfont CDN because it's the only source for the fonts we use.

jrochkind1 11y ago

These seem like good techniques. But I still don't consider reliable FOUT a victory -- it's still annoying as a reader. I'm not sure if the final slide cross this out because his design has a solution to it, or because he decides not to consider it a problem. I _think_ the latter maybe? (Slidedeck without the accompanying narrative can be hard to interpret sometimes!). If so, I disagree, reliable FOUT with otherwise quick loading may be the lesser evil in the present environment, but it's still annoying.

pg_is_a_butt 11y ago

one of the best decks i've ever seen. very well done.