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I dont see the niche myself.. If you want instant provisioning and scalability then use the cloud. If you want dedicated servers, well, buy a dedicated.

by ErrantX 17y ago

mbreese 17y ago
Well, maybe there is some room for this in the market. If they can really provide instant provisioning of a dedicated server, then this should be more efficient than a virtual machine based approach. Their API looks pretty decent, so you could use this in a similar manner to EC2. The downside is that instead of things like S3 storage, you get iSCSI. Sure, it's dedicated, but I don't know if it's redundant. And if you want any other cloud-like infrastructure (Queues, Simple DB, etc...), you're going to have to build it yourself. While you could get more power out of a setup like this, I don't see how it can scale. I mean, we're talking about a dedicated machine for each user. And this is also for each class of machines. They'd have to over-buy machines by 10-20% to match unexpected demand. And this is for all classes of servers (and they have 5). What happens if they don't have a machine of your class available? At least with a virtual machine approach, you can buy big servers and slice them up in a variety of ways.
z8000 17y ago
I became interested in NewServers while looking for affordable dedicated server hosting providers. I am personally less interested in "cloud" scalability for my pet project, and more in getting a "decent" quality dedicated server or 3 for a "decent" price (lots of hand-waving here I know). That is, I find EC2 to be "expensive" for what I want; I'm not super profitable yet in my tiny little startup so saving money yet maximizing server performance at the same time is the tradeoff I'm researching. I have not found any hosting providers besides NewServers that are as affordable for "lots" of RAM. Also, NewServers' bandwidth quota is 3GB/hr with $0.10/GB overage. NewServers offers add-ons like extra RAM. These require maybe a couple of days but for me, I don't need pure cloud scalability in minutes. I just want a few cheap dedicated servers. Consider this configuration; Intel Processor Cores RAM HDD Price/Hour Jumbo 2 x E5405 Quad Core 2Ghz 8 8GB 2 x 500GB SATA RAID 1 $0.38 An always-on Jumbo is thus: Jumbo = 720*0.38 = $273.60/month RAM add-ons: 8GB $0.04/hr 720*0.04 = $28.80/mo. more 16GB $0.08/hr 720*0.08 = $57.60/mo. more 24GB $0.12/hr 720*0.12 = $86.40/mo. more 32GB $0.16/hr 720*0.16 = $115.20/mo. more Thus, a Jumbo with 24GB RAM = $273.60 + $86.40 = $360.0/month with lots of bandwidth transfer. Compared with something like EC2, this is a no-brainer on the cost front, provided you do not need the other Amazon features... (I don't, but that should be made clear). Also, I talked with Alex at NewServers and their turnaround time for provisioning servers with the above add-ons is "2 or 3 days". Good? Bad? That's fine _for me_ but do note that servers with add-ons are not provisioned on the order of minutes but days. Thoughts? What am I not considering but should be?
- ErrantX 17y ago
  Well the prices didnt look very great to me. For example I rent a few UK based dedicated servers which cost me (converting in my head here) $150-$190 a month. Specs are similar to their Fast package but with 8GB of RAM and unlimited bandwidth. That is around average price here in the UK; I assumed things were similar in the states, but I guess not?

I dont see the niche myself.. If you want instant provisioning and scalability then use the cloud. If you want dedicated servers, well, buy a dedicated.

by ErrantX 17y ago

I dont see the niche myself.. If you want instant provisioning and scalability then use the cloud. If you want dedicated servers, well, buy a dedicated.

mbreese 17y ago

Well, maybe there is some room for this in the market. If they can really provide instant provisioning of a dedicated server, then this should be more efficient than a virtual machine based approach. Their API looks pretty decent, so you could use this in a similar manner to EC2. The downside is that instead of things like S3 storage, you get iSCSI. Sure, it's dedicated, but I don't know if it's redundant. And if you want any other cloud-like infrastructure (Queues, Simple DB, etc...), you're going to have to build it yourself. While you could get more power out of a setup like this, I don't see how it can scale. I mean, we're talking about a dedicated machine for each user. And this is also for each class of machines. They'd have to over-buy machines by 10-20% to match unexpected demand. And this is for all classes of servers (and they have 5). What happens if they don't have a machine of your class available? At least with a virtual machine approach, you can buy big servers and slice them up in a variety of ways.

z8000 17y ago

I became interested in NewServers while looking for affordable dedicated server hosting providers. I am personally less interested in "cloud" scalability for my pet project, and more in getting a "decent" quality dedicated server or 3 for a "decent" price (lots of hand-waving here I know). That is, I find EC2 to be "expensive" for what I want; I'm not super profitable yet in my tiny little startup so saving money yet maximizing server performance at the same time is the tradeoff I'm researching. I have not found any hosting providers besides NewServers that are as affordable for "lots" of RAM. Also, NewServers' bandwidth quota is 3GB/hr with $0.10/GB overage. NewServers offers add-ons like extra RAM. These require maybe a couple of days but for me, I don't need pure cloud scalability in minutes. I just want a few cheap dedicated servers. Consider this configuration; Intel Processor Cores RAM HDD Price/Hour Jumbo 2 x E5405 Quad Core 2Ghz 8 8GB 2 x 500GB SATA RAID 1 $0.38 An always-on Jumbo is thus: Jumbo = 720*0.38 = $273.60/month RAM add-ons: 8GB $0.04/hr 720*0.04 = $28.80/mo. more 16GB $0.08/hr 720*0.08 = $57.60/mo. more 24GB $0.12/hr 720*0.12 = $86.40/mo. more 32GB $0.16/hr 720*0.16 = $115.20/mo. more Thus, a Jumbo with 24GB RAM = $273.60 + $86.40 = $360.0/month with lots of bandwidth transfer. Compared with something like EC2, this is a no-brainer on the cost front, provided you do not need the other Amazon features... (I don't, but that should be made clear). Also, I talked with Alex at NewServers and their turnaround time for provisioning servers with the above add-ons is "2 or 3 days". Good? Bad? That's fine _for me_ but do note that servers with add-ons are not provisioned on the order of minutes but days. Thoughts? What am I not considering but should be?

ErrantX 17y ago
Well the prices didnt look very great to me. For example I rent a few UK based dedicated servers which cost me (converting in my head here) $150-$190 a month. Specs are similar to their Fast package but with 8GB of RAM and unlimited bandwidth. That is around average price here in the UK; I assumed things were similar in the states, but I guess not?