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Apps are only popular because we don't do mobile web good enough. Most of the mobile web is either a banner asking download the app, or tons of adds with no roo

by sagivo 11y ago

Apps are only popular because we don't do mobile web good enough. Most of the mobile web is either a banner asking download the app, or tons of adds with no room for content.

corndoge 11y ago
Mobile web doesn't come anywhere close to replicating the fluidity and functionality of a native app and it never will. Running a dedicated application designed for the system will always beat an application designed for the system on top of the system (web browser). I prefer native applications every time.
- greglindahl 11y ago
  Blekko shipped an app -- izik -- which was extremely fluid even though it was actually a webpage. You and I probably have no idea which of the apparently native apps we use every day are actually webpages.
  - corndoge 11y ago
    No, it's painfully obvious when applications are using a full-panel WebView with UI elements and transitions that aren't system-defined. It's also pretty obvious when you have no network and the app suddenly doesn't load.
    - Turing_Machine 11y ago
      It may be painfully obvious to an expert, but most people don't actually care.
- dcwca 11y ago
  What about the case where you plan on using the app one time for a grand total of 30 seconds? Is the trouble of visiting the App Store, authenticating, installing, launching, allowing permissions and onboarding really worthwhile? Or is that a case for the web's dynamic runtime?
- progmal1 11y ago
  The big catch is assuming that the team is big enough to put all the features into a variety of native apps. It is possible that for a small team given the choice of one great web app or splitting time between Windows/OSx/iPhone/Android that the web app is superior.
- currysausage 11y ago
  Yeah, but maybe I just want to, you know, read an article and not replicate the fluidity and functionality of a native app. Reading articles worked just fine with NCSA Mosaic, I promise it works fine mith Mobile Safari too.
  - corndoge 11y ago
    OP's argument was that mobile apps are only popular because the mobile web is not good enough. Obviously when the mobile web is used for it's original intent -- pages of information, mostly text, some images -- and not full web applications with heavy JavaScript dependencies and animation and share buttons and shit, it's a pleasure to use.
  - Turing_Machine 11y ago
    "Yeah, but maybe I just want to, you know, read an article and not replicate the fluidity and functionality of a native app." Exactly. There are, what, a billion or so websites nowadays? Obviously installing an app for even a tiny fraction of a percent of those is not going to happen. Sooner or later, site owners are going to have to accept this basic fact.
m52go 11y ago
It's also because people don't take you seriously without one. I recently made a webapp that works 100% as well as a native app (just as fluid & just as many features), but people wondered where the 'real app' was for Android and iOS.

by sagivo 11y ago

Apps are only popular because we don't do mobile web good enough. Most of the mobile web is either a banner asking download the app, or tons of adds with no room for content.

corndoge 11y ago

Mobile web doesn't come anywhere close to replicating the fluidity and functionality of a native app and it never will. Running a dedicated application designed for the system will always beat an application designed for the system on top of the system (web browser). I prefer native applications every time.

greglindahl 11y ago
Blekko shipped an app -- izik -- which was extremely fluid even though it was actually a webpage. You and I probably have no idea which of the apparently native apps we use every day are actually webpages.
- corndoge 11y ago
  No, it's painfully obvious when applications are using a full-panel WebView with UI elements and transitions that aren't system-defined. It's also pretty obvious when you have no network and the app suddenly doesn't load.
  - Turing_Machine 11y ago
    It may be painfully obvious to an expert, but most people don't actually care.
dcwca 11y ago
What about the case where you plan on using the app one time for a grand total of 30 seconds? Is the trouble of visiting the App Store, authenticating, installing, launching, allowing permissions and onboarding really worthwhile? Or is that a case for the web's dynamic runtime?
progmal1 11y ago
The big catch is assuming that the team is big enough to put all the features into a variety of native apps. It is possible that for a small team given the choice of one great web app or splitting time between Windows/OSx/iPhone/Android that the web app is superior.
currysausage 11y ago
Yeah, but maybe I just want to, you know, read an article and not replicate the fluidity and functionality of a native app. Reading articles worked just fine with NCSA Mosaic, I promise it works fine mith Mobile Safari too.
- corndoge 11y ago
  OP's argument was that mobile apps are only popular because the mobile web is not good enough. Obviously when the mobile web is used for it's original intent -- pages of information, mostly text, some images -- and not full web applications with heavy JavaScript dependencies and animation and share buttons and shit, it's a pleasure to use.
- Turing_Machine 11y ago
  "Yeah, but maybe I just want to, you know, read an article and not replicate the fluidity and functionality of a native app." Exactly. There are, what, a billion or so websites nowadays? Obviously installing an app for even a tiny fraction of a percent of those is not going to happen. Sooner or later, site owners are going to have to accept this basic fact.

m52go 11y ago

It's also because people don't take you seriously without one. I recently made a webapp that works 100% as well as a native app (just as fluid & just as many features), but people wondered where the 'real app' was for Android and iOS.