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>Otherwise, by your same reasoning: White men people are genetically superior at leading, running companies, space travel, research, etc... Where as the truth,

>Otherwise, by your same reasoning: White men people are genetically superior at leading, running companies, space travel, research, etc... Where as the truth, I suspect, lies in the context of their social situation, not their race. By my line of reasoning superior skill in leading is a genetic possibility. You suspect the truth lies in the context of the social situation but can you prove it? Can you prove it either way? Without more evidence and from a neutral perspective both situations have roughly equal probability of being true. My argument is that it is this cultural attitude of equality that makes us point to the social context rather than the genetic context when empirically speaking we don't know either way. >"Working harder" is a cultural/social quality not a genetic quality. Same with black people dominating basketball, could just as easily be explained with social qualities rather than genetic. Really you have presented weak hypothesises in the form of rhetorical questions. You really think black people dominating in the olympics and basketball and athletics in general isn't genetic? I can't prove it but this is something that's kind of intuitively obvious. Here's an example of how genetics can influence how hard an organism works: Compare the busy bee with the sloth. Which one works harder? If genetics can influence how hard animals work, what magic makes it not touch how hard human races work or how intelligent they are? Can you prove it either way? >They should be 'treated' equally is the thing we are taught. We all have our unique genetic advantages and disadvantages, but there shouldn't be social disadvantage based on genetics. It is good we are taught this, because it requires social change. What makes this "hypotheses" true? You're saying all races magically have genetic strengths and weakness perfectly balanced the same way zergs, terran and protoss are balanced in starcraft? Tell me, what magical hand is enforcing this balance? Blizzard? Keep in mind, genetics is intrinsically linked with social behavior, it is not exclusively tied to just physical traits.

GhotiFish 11y ago
Personally? I do not believe normal human beings can operate under a mental framework that does not explicitly say "all humans are objectively equal". I am fully convinced that the moment they think anything else, it will ultimately to the conclusion that their own race is superior in some respect, and will use it as some form of justification for something horrible later down the line. I agree with you, that there may be genetic dispositions to things, I don't know what they are, but it seems logical. The problem is such a public notion isn't pragmatic. Reality or not, humans can't handle it. So we're equal. Maybe you can handle it, I think I can handle it, I think my friends can handle it. I don't think the human race can handle it. We're equal.
- crimsonalucard 11y ago
  Of course. I'm describing the state of the world not proposing a solution. Deluding ourselves into believing in Equality is probably the best possible, although imperfect, solution. I am simply addressing this imperfection and using it to explain why discrimination still occurs in a world that largely finds discrimination abhorrent. After all, this is a forum for intelligent debate. That being said, posting a topic on genetic or racial superiority tends trigger extreme reactive responses in people. Under normal circumstances I would have been voted down and attacked by multiple negative comments remarking about my character. Nobody would have tried to understand my logical view point and they usually automatically dismiss me as racist. You'll note that none of that is happening in this thread. A lot of people are quite accepting of this idea or addressing the issue in a friendly way despite the controversial nature. It is because I had to spend deliberate effort to craft the language and structure of the post to present truths in a way that is self evident and extremely unhostile. So while I believe there is really no need to pull humanity out of this delusion of total racial equality... in a sense this thread is proof that the world can probably handle the truth... you just need to present the view in the right light.

GhotiFish 11y ago

Personally? I do not believe normal human beings can operate under a mental framework that does not explicitly say "all humans are objectively equal". I am fully convinced that the moment they think anything else, it will ultimately to the conclusion that their own race is superior in some respect, and will use it as some form of justification for something horrible later down the line. I agree with you, that there may be genetic dispositions to things, I don't know what they are, but it seems logical. The problem is such a public notion isn't pragmatic. Reality or not, humans can't handle it. So we're equal. Maybe you can handle it, I think I can handle it, I think my friends can handle it. I don't think the human race can handle it. We're equal.

crimsonalucard 11y ago
Of course. I'm describing the state of the world not proposing a solution. Deluding ourselves into believing in Equality is probably the best possible, although imperfect, solution. I am simply addressing this imperfection and using it to explain why discrimination still occurs in a world that largely finds discrimination abhorrent. After all, this is a forum for intelligent debate. That being said, posting a topic on genetic or racial superiority tends trigger extreme reactive responses in people. Under normal circumstances I would have been voted down and attacked by multiple negative comments remarking about my character. Nobody would have tried to understand my logical view point and they usually automatically dismiss me as racist. You'll note that none of that is happening in this thread. A lot of people are quite accepting of this idea or addressing the issue in a friendly way despite the controversial nature. It is because I had to spend deliberate effort to craft the language and structure of the post to present truths in a way that is self evident and extremely unhostile. So while I believe there is really no need to pull humanity out of this delusion of total racial equality... in a sense this thread is proof that the world can probably handle the truth... you just need to present the view in the right light.