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The problem comes later when the current generation of programmers starts creating interfaces of their own without all the keyboard shortcuts because they never
by Too 11y ago
The problem comes later when the current generation of programmers starts creating interfaces of their own without all the keyboard shortcuts because they never grew up using any.
Windows 10 is already showing signs of this, in previous windows versions hotkeys were everywhere, they made sense, and they were even easy to discover if you turn on the "underline hotkey" option. In windows 10 even basic shortcuts such as alt+left to go back is missing in most apps, some apps accept backspace but others don't, moving around menus with the keyboard arrows works some times and some times not, tab order totally doesn't make sense and it just shines through that nobody in Microsoft even thought of trying the apps with keyboard only.
Just because something can be used with a mouse doesn't mean you have to, i frequently hear people saying that they use the terminal instead of explorer because they don't like the mouse. Well, explorer is one of the most keyboard friendly programs ever once you take some time to learn it. In a folder, just type half the foldername and then enter and you are in, alt+d to go to navigation bar. Alt+up to go up one folder is 2 keys instead of 5 for cd[space]..[enter]. Ctrl+x/c/v instead of cp or whatever, "right clicking" can be done with that weird button between alt+gr and ctrl on the right side of your keyboard, in that menu each line has an assigned button which will be underlined. There are many more tricks and I can't list all of them here, i just strongly encourage people to try using it without using the mouse, you will find out there is not a single action that requires it.
- Theodores 11y agoHere is the history lesson you have been looking for... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access#Influence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access#Influen... IBM were the people that got the function keys and short cuts right, that filtered through with their early work with Microsoft for Windows back in the day. There is some saying about those that don't know their history repeating mistakes that has happened with the situation you describe.
- mkup 11y agoWell, using the terminal instead of explorer in Windows because people don't like the mouse is quite extreme, but using the Far Manager for the same reason is more common, at least in my environment.
- _up 11y agoThat goes both ways. I bought a cheap Win 10 Tablet (x86) and haven't figured out how to get back from Chrome Browser Fullscreen via F11. The Onscrean Keyboard doesn't seem to support Fx keys.
- tluyben2 11y agoYes that is a big issue as well as new keyboards (like the new Google Pixel keyboard) coming on the market lacking keys people who code and/or use shortcut have gotten used to.
- yepYepYep123 11y agoThere might be a bit of a gap coming, maybe a few years, when the people who aren't used to keyboard shortcuts start developing UIs, but, I'm interested in seeing what the people whose experience has been primarily tactile and visual (tablet users, gui users, smartphone users) come up with. I've got a feeling it'll be like watching grandma say "Rotary phones were FINE!" until she gets that first smartphone with the contacts list, then she goes "Oh, wait, what's your phone number? I just always use the contacts."
- WorldWideWayne 11y agoYou need to enable the "Standard Keyboard layout" in PC Settings. However, you don't need a key to exit Chrome full-screen from a Windows touch device. Just tap near the top of the window and Chrome should display the link that says "Exit Full Screen".