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This is like a telemarketer asking what's the best way to sell their life insurance policy when interrupting someone's dinner. The problem is that there is a ge
by ditonal 11y ago
This is like a telemarketer asking what's the best way to sell their life insurance policy when interrupting someone's dinner. The problem is that there is a general lack of empathy in almost all of these 'introductions'. I already know there's a lot of developer jobs out there. So what are you accomplishing by emailing me, other than spamming me that the companies you represent are also hiring? How it is going to help my career to leave my current position and join yours? Are you going to give me new experience in an interesting field? Let me lead a critical project? Pay me more money?
Telling me what VCs have invested, how 'fast-paced' the company is, how 'work-hard-play-hard' you are is pretty much irrelevant to me, other than I guess the somewhat desperate sounding angle that your equity will be worth a lot. Usually the reason you can't answer the questions I asked above is because you don't have a good answer to them - you are just trying to spam me by 'selling' a mediocre product with no differentiating advantages. So you're just spamming me, so don't send the email. If you can't answer the question of why it will be great for my career, past OMG WE'RE DEFINITELY THE NEXT FACEBOOK or WE HAVE MICROBREWS AND UNDEFINED VACATION POLICY, then you're just a telemarketer/spammer and there's no sane advice to give you other then don't click send. Keep it on the job board and out of people's inboxes.
- fecak 11y agoI appreciate the insight, and I should probably add that I've been recruiting for almost 20 years so my question is more geared towards helping those in the industry improve and not for my personal use. Shaming recruiters is so easy and trite. The telemarketer comparison is interesting, but telemarketers aren't generally offering things that change someone's life. Being "offered" a job is significantly different than being offered pet insurance. It's hard to determine how a job will help your career until we learn more about you. I don't know if it will pay more money until I know what you make. I agree that most people don't want to hear about the nonsense that you've listed. But the things you want to hear about, or at least a couple of the things you listed here ($, leadership, help your career), are almost impossible to determine via a GitHub, LinkedIn, and even a short conversation.
- thwarted 11y agoBeing "offered" a job is significantly different than being offered pet insurance. Not in a sellers' market, which tech hiring is right now. The email/messages from recruiters at issue are the ones that are obviously the result of lame mailmerges and/or show a complete lack of time or effort to understand the person being recruited. Additionally, a job offer from someone you know, and who knows you, is much more valuable than a job offer from someone contacting you out of the blue who is working to bring people in. A job offer from some who knows you, is a peer, and who is recruiting for the company they work for is even more valuable (because by working there, they are vouching for the company).
- redblacktree 11y agoYou may not know what I make, but you know what the salary range is on the position you're recruiting for. Why not share that up front?
- fecak 11y agoI'll give ranges when applicable. The challenge is getting the candidate to understand that there is a high and low end of the range, and the high end is reserved for a certain level of candidate. Some candidates assume the high end of a range is their true market rate, and consider any offer below that to be a snub (even if the offer is above their market value.