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This is a trojan horse PR move to expose Apple's longstanding "customer confusion" argument for excluding competitive products (think Amazon MP3 downloads) from

by hypocrt 11y ago

This is a trojan horse PR move to expose Apple's longstanding "customer confusion" argument for excluding competitive products (think Amazon MP3 downloads) from the App Store. If what Apple has been doing for years is legal, so is this, and Apple can't complain without exposing complete hypocrisy. In my view, Amazon wants to be forced back from this position in a precedent-setting way. This is Jeff Bezos's long-shot attempt to finally tear down the wall of Apple's closed marketplace.

caryhartline 11y ago
Apple does not comment on a story like this. If people want to buy an Apple TV, they will see that it's not in the Amazon store then likely go to apple.com.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> In my view, Amazon wants to be forced back from this position in a precedent-setting way. The only way that could happen would be through long, drawn-out antitrust proceedings. Which, I don't think its much of a stretch to propose, no business wants to get in and lose just to set a precedent that could be used later against preexisting practices of their competitors. Especially, since any such precedent would only be relevant if they could convince public authorities to prosecute their opponent, or if they choose to expend the resources to do so themselves, and in either of those cases they could do that first without the precedent and establish the precedent at the same time as realizing the benefit.
commandar 11y ago
That doesn't make any sense given the way Amazon has treated the Android ecosystem for years now. This is just the most blatant, anticonsumer attempt they've made so far to forcibly leverage customers into the Fire ecosystem.
Certhas 11y ago
Apple doesn't have a monopoly or a market commanding position. Amazon does.
- Certhas 11y ago
  To whoever downvoted that: Samsung vs Apple Market share: 2015Q2 21.4% 13.9% Amazon compared to the next largest online retailers: http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/08/29/amazon_chart.jpg http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/08/29/amazon_chart.jpg (Selling more than the next 12 competitors combined. By a lot.)
c3534l 11y ago
That sounds incredibly petty.
threeseed 11y ago
I don't understand. Amazon Music IS on the app store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/amazon-music-with-prime-music/id510855668?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/amazon-music-with-prime-musi...
- Flimm 11y ago
  Is Amazon Music (streaming) the same as Amazon MP3 (selling downloads)?

by hypocrt 11y ago

caryhartline 11y ago

Apple does not comment on a story like this. If people want to buy an Apple TV, they will see that it's not in the Amazon store then likely go to apple.com.

dragonwriter 11y ago

> In my view, Amazon wants to be forced back from this position in a precedent-setting way. The only way that could happen would be through long, drawn-out antitrust proceedings. Which, I don't think its much of a stretch to propose, no business wants to get in and lose just to set a precedent that could be used later against preexisting practices of their competitors. Especially, since any such precedent would only be relevant if they could convince public authorities to prosecute their opponent, or if they choose to expend the resources to do so themselves, and in either of those cases they could do that first without the precedent and establish the precedent at the same time as realizing the benefit.

commandar 11y ago

That doesn't make any sense given the way Amazon has treated the Android ecosystem for years now. This is just the most blatant, anticonsumer attempt they've made so far to forcibly leverage customers into the Fire ecosystem.

Certhas 11y ago

Apple doesn't have a monopoly or a market commanding position. Amazon does.

Certhas 11y ago
To whoever downvoted that: Samsung vs Apple Market share: 2015Q2 21.4% 13.9% Amazon compared to the next largest online retailers: http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/08/29/amazon_chart.jpg http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/08/29/amazon_chart.jpg (Selling more than the next 12 competitors combined. By a lot.)

c3534l 11y ago

That sounds incredibly petty.

threeseed 11y ago

I don't understand. Amazon Music IS on the app store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/amazon-music-with-prime-music/id510855668?mt=8 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/amazon-music-with-prime-musi...

Flimm 11y ago
Is Amazon Music (streaming) the same as Amazon MP3 (selling downloads)?