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So what happened here? Did the Stanford team not notice, or just ignored the student's earlier discovery?

by Cyph0n 11y ago

1ris 11y ago
It was proably not published in a "propper" way, so it's ok. There are bizare idears who is the first to publish something, for example that pre-print don't count, because ... well I don't know.
- devy 11y ago
  This was not some amateur discovery. This was 2009 Intel International Engineering Science Fair's top prize for Microbiology category. I would be surprised if those award winning high schoolers had no assistance from professors to teach them how to do research and write papers.
  - ThatGeoGuy 11y ago
    And here the Stanford paper performed a long term study on mealworms and a styrofoam diet as opposed to a control. As for why they didn't reference the previous discovery, it could be for a couple of reasons: 1. The primary author(s) were not distinctly aware of the discovery. 2. If nothing was published in the 2009 Intel International Engineering Science Fair, then there is little to reference. Referencing a news article in a journal is not often considered good practice, and in many cases can be considered unacceptable. This is a case where I would say "do not attribute to malice...", as I don't see any direct benefit to the researchers for excluding this reference in their paper. Their study focuses on long-term results, not merely "mealworms can eat styrofoam, news at eleven." EDIT: Formatting
    - devy 11y ago
      Again, other than the news article, this is the official winning announcement: https://member.societyforscience.org/document.doc?id=74 https://member.societyforscience.org/document.doc?id=74 I would be very surprised that Intel IESF awarded prize to research projects without a paper! Also, from the links referenced above, I clearly saw the high schooler was presenting in a whiteboard with her research paper with diagrams. Granted, I am unsure if the paper was published in any established academic journals/magazines etc. or gone through any peer reviews. But considering she was a 16-year-old at the time, with only more than a year of research into this subject matter and with a fairly accurate conclusion.
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So what happened here? Did the Stanford team not notice, or just ignored the student's earlier discovery?

by Cyph0n 11y ago

So what happened here? Did the Stanford team not notice, or just ignored the student's earlier discovery?

1ris 11y ago

It was proably not published in a "propper" way, so it's ok. There are bizare idears who is the first to publish something, for example that pre-print don't count, because ... well I don't know.

devy 11y ago
This was not some amateur discovery. This was 2009 Intel International Engineering Science Fair's top prize for Microbiology category. I would be surprised if those award winning high schoolers had no assistance from professors to teach them how to do research and write papers.
- ThatGeoGuy 11y ago
  And here the Stanford paper performed a long term study on mealworms and a styrofoam diet as opposed to a control. As for why they didn't reference the previous discovery, it could be for a couple of reasons: 1. The primary author(s) were not distinctly aware of the discovery. 2. If nothing was published in the 2009 Intel International Engineering Science Fair, then there is little to reference. Referencing a news article in a journal is not often considered good practice, and in many cases can be considered unacceptable. This is a case where I would say "do not attribute to malice...", as I don't see any direct benefit to the researchers for excluding this reference in their paper. Their study focuses on long-term results, not merely "mealworms can eat styrofoam, news at eleven." EDIT: Formatting
  - devy 11y ago
    Again, other than the news article, this is the official winning announcement: https://member.societyforscience.org/document.doc?id=74 https://member.societyforscience.org/document.doc?id=74 I would be very surprised that Intel IESF awarded prize to research projects without a paper! Also, from the links referenced above, I clearly saw the high schooler was presenting in a whiteboard with her research paper with diagrams. Granted, I am unsure if the paper was published in any established academic journals/magazines etc. or gone through any peer reviews. But considering she was a 16-year-old at the time, with only more than a year of research into this subject matter and with a fairly accurate conclusion.
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