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I love the EFF, but honestly, I'm not sure what they can do about this, other than educate and inform. The US, the rest of the Five Eyes, France, China, Russia

I love the EFF, but honestly, I'm not sure what they can do about this, other than educate and inform. The US, the rest of the Five Eyes, France, China, Russia, along with every state that has the ability has been, and will continue to spy illegally on the rest of the world. Passing laws to either allow or prohibit this activity is nothing but political posing so long as the laws have no determination on the penalties applied to breaking said laws. Did Clapper get imprisoned for lying to congress? Did Litvinenko get a fair trial for "exceeding the authority of his position"? Does anyone believe that Snowden would get fair treatment from an unbiased jury? This is the theater of international espionage. Without transparency, honesty and consistency, complaining about the laws, or lack thereof, is pretty much a waste of time. Or maybe I'm just overly cynical and we'll eventually get an Erin Brokovich of international espionage to blow the lid off the whole deal and hold the bastards accountable. I'm not holding my breath.

JoachimS 11y ago
At least somebody is charging the windmills and making a fuzz even though it quite probably will lead to nothing. Not quietly follow the hearder into the darkness like most of us do. In fact, even if it is virtually hopeless we need to at least try. Otherwise we have truly lost. So all cudos and support to EFF, journalists and others that keep up the work despite all odds.
rihegher 11y ago
French here, I've been a web developper for more than 15 years now and I try to follow what's going on with digital laws in France and Europe thanks to "la quadrature du net". I try to inform people around me but most people don't have any interest in digital laws, because 1) most medias don't talk about it or in a caricatural way. 2) People and most member of parliament don't undestand these laws. 3) Lobbys knows 1) and 2) The results is that any digital law bills can be passed along easily as long as it doesn't disturb any strong lobbys in place as media won't talk about it and people and member of parliament won't speak up anyway. Those who understand why these laws could turn very bad are a really small minority, and small minority without lobby means can be very badly represented in a democracy. Honestly I lack imagination to think of something more to do that could make significant change here.

JoachimS 11y ago

At least somebody is charging the windmills and making a fuzz even though it quite probably will lead to nothing. Not quietly follow the hearder into the darkness like most of us do. In fact, even if it is virtually hopeless we need to at least try. Otherwise we have truly lost. So all cudos and support to EFF, journalists and others that keep up the work despite all odds.

rihegher 11y ago

French here, I've been a web developper for more than 15 years now and I try to follow what's going on with digital laws in France and Europe thanks to "la quadrature du net". I try to inform people around me but most people don't have any interest in digital laws, because 1) most medias don't talk about it or in a caricatural way. 2) People and most member of parliament don't undestand these laws. 3) Lobbys knows 1) and 2) The results is that any digital law bills can be passed along easily as long as it doesn't disturb any strong lobbys in place as media won't talk about it and people and member of parliament won't speak up anyway. Those who understand why these laws could turn very bad are a really small minority, and small minority without lobby means can be very badly represented in a democracy. Honestly I lack imagination to think of something more to do that could make significant change here.