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> The UK has effectively decided to run the country as a property export operation. That's an insane hyperbole.

by treve 11y ago

pjc50 11y ago
Perhaps, but it's a big part of the problem. http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-2340858/85-homes-Central-London-sold-overseas-buyers.html http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-234... A slightly counter view with different numbers: http://pdf.euro.savills.co.uk/residential---other/spotlight-world-in-london.pdf http://pdf.euro.savills.co.uk/residential---other/spotlight-... : still points out that large amounts of UK assets are held overseas and that in 2013 there was $10bn of office property inward investment.
- branchless 11y ago
  Have you seen this yet? http://www.private-eye.co.uk/registry http://www.private-eye.co.uk/registry
  - pjc50 11y ago
    I hadn't, that's an excellent piece of journalism.
    - branchless 11y ago
      Good isn't it. I agree it's great, in distinction to the utter tripe pouring out the BBC these days.
axanoeychron 11y ago
There is an element of truth in what you call hyperbole. Gordon Brown (in the treasury) produced a report to see how UK could integrate with the EU. The output was basically that the UK economy is not flexible enough. A very large portion of the UK's GDP is based on housing and housing services. The amount of debt on UK housing is astronomical. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/europe/03/euro/pdf/final_assessment/03_1100.pdf http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/europe/03/euro/pdf/fin... Page 55 onwards "mortgage debt 60% of gdp" http://www.ft.com/fastft/309012/how-would-uk-housing-correction-affect-gdp http://www.ft.com/fastft/309012/how-would-uk-housing-correct... http://www.imf.org/external/np/ms/2001/121101.htm http://www.imf.org/external/np/ms/2001/121101.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_economic_tests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_economic_tests
- pjc50 11y ago
  Table 1.5 line "Mortgage equity withdrawal" is particularly revealing: in the other countries it's negative, indicating that people are building up home equity, whereas in the UK it's positive, indicating that people are turning house price rises into spending money through financialisation.
- gaius 11y ago
  Because we have a single-generation home ownership culture. In Germany and France, most people rent their whole lives and never own. In Switzerland (not EU I know but just for example) you get a 100-year mortgage and pay it off over 3 generations. This is NOTHING to do with an oil sheik buying a £10M mansion - he is not even in the same property market as you are.

> The UK has effectively decided to run the country as a property export operation. That's an insane hyperbole.

by treve 11y ago

> The UK has effectively decided to run the country as a property export operation. That's an insane hyperbole.

pjc50 11y ago

Perhaps, but it's a big part of the problem. http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-2340858/85-homes-Central-London-sold-overseas-buyers.html http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-234... A slightly counter view with different numbers: http://pdf.euro.savills.co.uk/residential---other/spotlight-world-in-london.pdf http://pdf.euro.savills.co.uk/residential---other/spotlight-... : still points out that large amounts of UK assets are held overseas and that in 2013 there was $10bn of office property inward investment.

branchless 11y ago
Have you seen this yet? http://www.private-eye.co.uk/registry http://www.private-eye.co.uk/registry
- pjc50 11y ago
  I hadn't, that's an excellent piece of journalism.
  - branchless 11y ago
    Good isn't it. I agree it's great, in distinction to the utter tripe pouring out the BBC these days.

axanoeychron 11y ago

There is an element of truth in what you call hyperbole. Gordon Brown (in the treasury) produced a report to see how UK could integrate with the EU. The output was basically that the UK economy is not flexible enough. A very large portion of the UK's GDP is based on housing and housing services. The amount of debt on UK housing is astronomical. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/europe/03/euro/pdf/final_assessment/03_1100.pdf http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/europe/03/euro/pdf/fin... Page 55 onwards "mortgage debt 60% of gdp" http://www.ft.com/fastft/309012/how-would-uk-housing-correction-affect-gdp http://www.ft.com/fastft/309012/how-would-uk-housing-correct... http://www.imf.org/external/np/ms/2001/121101.htm http://www.imf.org/external/np/ms/2001/121101.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_economic_tests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_economic_tests

pjc50 11y ago
Table 1.5 line "Mortgage equity withdrawal" is particularly revealing: in the other countries it's negative, indicating that people are building up home equity, whereas in the UK it's positive, indicating that people are turning house price rises into spending money through financialisation.
gaius 11y ago
Because we have a single-generation home ownership culture. In Germany and France, most people rent their whole lives and never own. In Switzerland (not EU I know but just for example) you get a 100-year mortgage and pay it off over 3 generations. This is NOTHING to do with an oil sheik buying a £10M mansion - he is not even in the same property market as you are.