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From someone who's been doing keto for several years now. A: Pre-Keto, odds are you we underestimating how many calories you were eating. Unless you were track

by com2kid 11y ago

From someone who's been doing keto for several years now. A: Pre-Keto, odds are you we underestimating how many calories you were eating. Unless you were tracking every single thing you ate, there is a high probability you just didn't realize how many calories you were consuming. B: It is super hard to over eat on Keto. It is possible, take lots of liquid calories in (heavy cream can do this easily!), and there are some other real screw ups, but eating 3000 calories of steak is pretty damn hard. C: What you are reporting is common for people who have a lot of weight to lose. At some point it becomes a lot harder, at first you just have to sort of watch things, then you eventually do have to count calories. (Especially if you want a six pack, holy crap do you have to count calories!)

toomuchtodo 11y ago
Thanks for that info! Did you ever experience symptoms similar to eye fatigue? I think I might be not consuming enough sodium and/or potassium; I'm going to up my doses of both to test my theory.
- MichaelGG 11y ago
  Everyone seems to warn about sodium and potassium while on keto - magnesium too. Apparently the suggested intakes are quite high and supplementing is the only way to get there. It might have just been placebo or drinking a hot cup of broth (with potassium salt in) but it made me feel better some days. I'd also second that it's really hard to eat a massive amount of calories on keto. Water loss and perhaps some changes might make you leaner but most likely, over time, you're simply getting a lot less than, I dunno 3000 that isn't hard to do on a sugary diet.
  - com2kid 11y ago
    Magnesium is good. Potassium, I eat leafy greens or Ostrim (http://www.protos-inc.com/ http://www.protos-inc.com/), which is low fat but has no carbs and lots of potassium. They also taste good, they are one of my after gym gotos. Gaining muscle on keto /is/ hard. You can do it (/r/ketogains can help!) but wow you have to stuff yourself, which is sort of odd for Keto!
    - MichaelGG 11y ago
      A quick search says the recommendation amount of potassium a day is 4.7G for adults. While spinach and those Ostrim things are high (Ostrim says 330mg of potassium), you still have to eat a LOT to get close to the recommendation. I found it easier to throw that potassium salt into chicken bouillon (getting sodium + potassium). Also it's funny how the supplments folks are allowed to sell potassium. There's regulatory issues of having more than 99mg per pill (could damage stomachs or something). So these companies market compounds with potassium that aren't in bio-available forms.[1] "550mg!" people see, making them think they're all set (and hah, pulled one over on terrible government regulators). Nope. Same happens with magnesium. Seems rather misleading, even though they are printing the truth. 1: http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Made-Potassium-Gluconate-Tablets/dp/B0029O0BWW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1443700821&sr=8-2&keywords=potassium http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Made-Potassium-Gluconate-Tablet...
- com2kid 11y ago
  Nothing about eye fatigue, but I forgot to have any potassium for a month (err, oops, I ate lots of veggies but no leafy greens!) and my BP shot up to something like 170/90. My doctor was concerned and also confused. On the way out of her office I remembered I hadn't had any potassium for awhile, stopped by the grocery store, picked up some spinach, and a handful later (about a few minutes) the constant headache I'd had for a week straight went away. So yeah, get your potassium in.
  - toomuchtodo 11y ago
    I drank a cup of salt water last night to drag my sodium levels up, and the eye fatigue feeling is gone. Thanks for the pointer about potassium though!
tracker1 11y ago
It's definitely hard to eat too much when you aren't taking in starchy carbs or sugars. Made a vichyssoise the first time a few days ago (subbed most of the potato with cauliflower and parsnips) and have to say it was about the most filling soup I've ever eaten... had trouble eating the 2-cups I usually do for a "serving" of soup. If going a more Paleo inspired route, fruit is probably the most easy to over do. I try to stay under a GL of 100/day, being diabetic it's risky for me to stay in keto too much, ketoacidosis is not fun at all.

by com2kid 11y ago

toomuchtodo 11y ago

Thanks for that info! Did you ever experience symptoms similar to eye fatigue? I think I might be not consuming enough sodium and/or potassium; I'm going to up my doses of both to test my theory.

MichaelGG 11y ago
Everyone seems to warn about sodium and potassium while on keto - magnesium too. Apparently the suggested intakes are quite high and supplementing is the only way to get there. It might have just been placebo or drinking a hot cup of broth (with potassium salt in) but it made me feel better some days. I'd also second that it's really hard to eat a massive amount of calories on keto. Water loss and perhaps some changes might make you leaner but most likely, over time, you're simply getting a lot less than, I dunno 3000 that isn't hard to do on a sugary diet.
- com2kid 11y ago
  Magnesium is good. Potassium, I eat leafy greens or Ostrim (http://www.protos-inc.com/ http://www.protos-inc.com/), which is low fat but has no carbs and lots of potassium. They also taste good, they are one of my after gym gotos. Gaining muscle on keto /is/ hard. You can do it (/r/ketogains can help!) but wow you have to stuff yourself, which is sort of odd for Keto!
  - MichaelGG 11y ago
    A quick search says the recommendation amount of potassium a day is 4.7G for adults. While spinach and those Ostrim things are high (Ostrim says 330mg of potassium), you still have to eat a LOT to get close to the recommendation. I found it easier to throw that potassium salt into chicken bouillon (getting sodium + potassium). Also it's funny how the supplments folks are allowed to sell potassium. There's regulatory issues of having more than 99mg per pill (could damage stomachs or something). So these companies market compounds with potassium that aren't in bio-available forms.[1] "550mg!" people see, making them think they're all set (and hah, pulled one over on terrible government regulators). Nope. Same happens with magnesium. Seems rather misleading, even though they are printing the truth. 1: http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Made-Potassium-Gluconate-Tablets/dp/B0029O0BWW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1443700821&sr=8-2&keywords=potassium http://www.amazon.com/Nature-Made-Potassium-Gluconate-Tablet...
com2kid 11y ago
Nothing about eye fatigue, but I forgot to have any potassium for a month (err, oops, I ate lots of veggies but no leafy greens!) and my BP shot up to something like 170/90. My doctor was concerned and also confused. On the way out of her office I remembered I hadn't had any potassium for awhile, stopped by the grocery store, picked up some spinach, and a handful later (about a few minutes) the constant headache I'd had for a week straight went away. So yeah, get your potassium in.
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  I drank a cup of salt water last night to drag my sodium levels up, and the eye fatigue feeling is gone. Thanks for the pointer about potassium though!

tracker1 11y ago

It's definitely hard to eat too much when you aren't taking in starchy carbs or sugars. Made a vichyssoise the first time a few days ago (subbed most of the potato with cauliflower and parsnips) and have to say it was about the most filling soup I've ever eaten... had trouble eating the 2-cups I usually do for a "serving" of soup. If going a more Paleo inspired route, fruit is probably the most easy to over do. I try to stay under a GL of 100/day, being diabetic it's risky for me to stay in keto too much, ketoacidosis is not fun at all.