5 ms·

> Everything that ships on the system should be protected. No. Not Game Center.app. Grand parent is right, this is bloatware that neither he, nor I, nor many o

> Everything that ships on the system should be protected. No. Not Game Center.app. Grand parent is right, this is bloatware that neither he, nor I, nor many others want. If I wanted a bloatware Windows box I would have bought one. There's no excuse for making this app non-removable.

kitsunesoba 11y ago
It’s all a matter of opinion, but I’m not sure that “bloatware” is the appropriate term for bundled software that never runs unless it’s explicitly opened by the user, thus having negligible resource usage. Does that extra 4MB really bother you that much? Because that’s the only effect you’ll ever feel as a result of not deleting Game Center. On the other hand, if we’re talking about the junk that your average Windows or Android device comes preinstalled with that is either configured to run at startup and/or modifies the stock UI (TouchWiz for example), yeah, that’s definitely bloatware and it’s reprehensible to make that unremovable. That isn’t what Apple is doing, however.
- itistoday2 11y ago
  > Does that extra 4MB really bother you that much? No, it doesn't, but what does bother me are the gigabyte+ apps that, like Game Center, Apple does not allow users to remove (without jumping through hoops that are probably both scary and technically challenging for most users). Are you an Apple fan? Because I am (or was). I've been with Apple since the OS 7 days. This lack of attention to detail is very uncharacteristic of the Apple I knew and loved. The comparison to "what others are doing" is also very un-Apple like. Apple did not use others as a benchmark to decide what it should be doing, and the day it starts to do that is the day it's no longer Apple.
  - on_ 11y ago
    This. I used game center as an example. Just removing unused languages saved me over a GB. I also stopped a bunch of annoying background stuff from using the cpu, which is nice, because I need it to do shit like compute for me. While the attention to detail is lacking, it is becoming even more walled off. I reapect that because the market wants all there stuff synced all the time. Howecer, i don't. I dont need my search results sent to apple so i can get recommendations, i font want every message i text to be an imessage so it goes through there servers as well as att. I am disappoinr.
  - eridius 11y ago
    What GB+ apps ship on the system that you think are appropriate to delete?
    - itistoday2 11y ago
      My apologies, I was mistaken. I had in mind apps like iMovie since, like Game Center, it's an app that Apple installs by default. On 10.11, there are many apps that are not deleteable, but all of them seem to be under a gig (unless I'm missing something because I had, long ago, deleted an app and the OS update didn't restore it). These include: Game Center, iBooks, Safari, iTunes, Photos, Contacts, Maps, Automator, Font Book, Dictionary, Notes, FaceTime, Chess, Reminders, Photo Booth, and perhaps a few other small-ish apps. These are less than 1 gig. I don't know why Apple did not choose to simply make whatever is so vital in the app bundle a system framework instead. It's not a big deal to me if these small apps are non-deleteable. I assumed—incorrectly—that the big ones (iMovie, Garage Band, etc.) were non-deleteable as well.
on_ 11y ago
Thank you. Many people have been quite rude about this, and frankly, I expected better. 1) woz fought jobs on user mods on the apple 2, and released a post a while back about switching bck to linux. I used game center as an example. Of coure the launchctl list uses an insane amount of resources for apple stuff. I also deleted several other apps and a few other things. Shit, running monolingual alone saved me ~1.2GB. So thanks. I agree as well. If possible I will turn it back on after.
eridius 11y ago
How incredibly arrogant of you to declare this about a tiny <3MB app just because you personally don't use it. Your personal preferences are not the arbiter of what is and is not useful, and this app provides the sole interface to a system component (GameKit) so it is entirely appropriate to ship on the system. And declaring this minuscule app "bloatware" is so laughable as to be almost insulting, because it's clear that you're just struggling to find a reason to compare OS X to Windows.
- itistoday2 11y ago
  I replied to both this and your other comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10330386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10330386

kitsunesoba 11y ago

It’s all a matter of opinion, but I’m not sure that “bloatware” is the appropriate term for bundled software that never runs unless it’s explicitly opened by the user, thus having negligible resource usage. Does that extra 4MB really bother you that much? Because that’s the only effect you’ll ever feel as a result of not deleting Game Center. On the other hand, if we’re talking about the junk that your average Windows or Android device comes preinstalled with that is either configured to run at startup and/or modifies the stock UI (TouchWiz for example), yeah, that’s definitely bloatware and it’s reprehensible to make that unremovable. That isn’t what Apple is doing, however.

itistoday2 11y ago
> Does that extra 4MB really bother you that much? No, it doesn't, but what does bother me are the gigabyte+ apps that, like Game Center, Apple does not allow users to remove (without jumping through hoops that are probably both scary and technically challenging for most users). Are you an Apple fan? Because I am (or was). I've been with Apple since the OS 7 days. This lack of attention to detail is very uncharacteristic of the Apple I knew and loved. The comparison to "what others are doing" is also very un-Apple like. Apple did not use others as a benchmark to decide what it should be doing, and the day it starts to do that is the day it's no longer Apple.
- on_ 11y ago
  This. I used game center as an example. Just removing unused languages saved me over a GB. I also stopped a bunch of annoying background stuff from using the cpu, which is nice, because I need it to do shit like compute for me. While the attention to detail is lacking, it is becoming even more walled off. I reapect that because the market wants all there stuff synced all the time. Howecer, i don't. I dont need my search results sent to apple so i can get recommendations, i font want every message i text to be an imessage so it goes through there servers as well as att. I am disappoinr.
- eridius 11y ago
  What GB+ apps ship on the system that you think are appropriate to delete?
  - itistoday2 11y ago
    My apologies, I was mistaken. I had in mind apps like iMovie since, like Game Center, it's an app that Apple installs by default. On 10.11, there are many apps that are not deleteable, but all of them seem to be under a gig (unless I'm missing something because I had, long ago, deleted an app and the OS update didn't restore it). These include: Game Center, iBooks, Safari, iTunes, Photos, Contacts, Maps, Automator, Font Book, Dictionary, Notes, FaceTime, Chess, Reminders, Photo Booth, and perhaps a few other small-ish apps. These are less than 1 gig. I don't know why Apple did not choose to simply make whatever is so vital in the app bundle a system framework instead. It's not a big deal to me if these small apps are non-deleteable. I assumed—incorrectly—that the big ones (iMovie, Garage Band, etc.) were non-deleteable as well.

on_ 11y ago

Thank you. Many people have been quite rude about this, and frankly, I expected better. 1) woz fought jobs on user mods on the apple 2, and released a post a while back about switching bck to linux. I used game center as an example. Of coure the launchctl list uses an insane amount of resources for apple stuff. I also deleted several other apps and a few other things. Shit, running monolingual alone saved me ~1.2GB. So thanks. I agree as well. If possible I will turn it back on after.

eridius 11y ago

How incredibly arrogant of you to declare this about a tiny <3MB app just because you personally don't use it. Your personal preferences are not the arbiter of what is and is not useful, and this app provides the sole interface to a system component (GameKit) so it is entirely appropriate to ship on the system. And declaring this minuscule app "bloatware" is so laughable as to be almost insulting, because it's clear that you're just struggling to find a reason to compare OS X to Windows.

itistoday2 11y ago
I replied to both this and your other comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10330386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10330386