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Aaah the never ending debate about global warming. It's been proven to be a scam so many times and everyone has their favorites. To me when NASA came and admit

Aaah the never ending debate about global warming. It's been proven to be a scam so many times and everyone has their favorites. To me when NASA came and admit the rising temperatures on Earth do match up with rise of temperatures on most other planets of our system, including Mars, because the Sun has its rising/declining activity patters and some go into thousands of years, this was clear indication humans are like a drop of blood in a Pacific Ocean. AFAIK, there are not human-made factories on Mars. End of discussion.

stpe 11y ago
UN's IPCC assessment reports - the fifth published last year - may give you some perspective on science's view of climate change (which is the commonly used term).
wnevets 11y ago
is this a troll post copied and pasted from facebook?
mhuffman 11y ago
Here is a chart of the cycles you are referring to, going back over 400,000 years. Look at the green one in the middle. You may have to look a little higher, all the way into the chart above it, in fact. Notice anything peculiar around the turn of the century? [1] http://i.imgur.com/cHbKpLh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/cHbKpLh.jpg
tstactplsignore 11y ago
There's no evidence that Mars is exhibiting long term warming trends, and most bodies in the solar system are not warming. The sun is currently in a cooling cycle, and all evidence indicates that solar forcing has a much lower impact on rising temperatures than increased greenhouse gases. Explained here: http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system-intermediate.htm http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets... It took me about 10 seconds of googling to find the answer explained easily for the layperson as to why you were wrong- and yet, you've never so much as taken that basic step, let alone examine any of the scientific literature on the topic, and you immediately jumped to the conclusion that the overwhelming majority of scientists who study climate and Earth sciences worldwide are wrong. There have been hundreds of papers written on the topic, all by experts who reach conclusions that disagree with you, and you examined none of that research. It is the sheer arrogance of the climate change denier that is so startling to me.
- AuLaVache 11y ago
  >indicates that solar forcing has a much lower impact on rising temperatures than increased greenhouse gases. Could be. But I would argue that sites like SkS, which are fairly partisan in their views like to look only at TSI and ignore other solar factors. The Sun effects us in many unexpected ways. See for example here: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/08jan_sunclimate/ http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/08... And here: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/10/5/054022;jsessionid=F87A9539A4F89BEF6AA70596DC97E24D.c1 http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/10/5/054... The last link (looking at the UV part of the spectrum) could explain the warming of the Atlantic we have been experiencing, See this graph of the AMO (yes, not the same as the NOA outlined in the paper - but related) and NH temperatures: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-amo/from:1960/mean:30/plot/hadsst2nh/from:1960/mean:30/plot/hadcrut3nh/from:1960/mean:30 http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-amo/from:1960/mean:30/... The AMO does seems to be "externally forced" I.e. not related to CO2, but probably/possibly some solar related mechanism. http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140225/ncomms4323/full/ncomms4323.html http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140225/ncomms4323/full/nco... The whole thing is damn complicated. Different parts of the spectrum impact on different parts of atmospheric chemistry (e.g. ozone), and inter-relate with components like earth and solar magnetic fields, particles, GCRs, etc. Science is never settled (as SkS would have us believe) it's still in progress.
7952 11y ago
>> This is a clear indication humans are like a drop of blood in a Pacific Ocean It is hardly an indication of that. Large quantities of carbon were locked away millions of years ago and are now being released. Billions of tons of fossilized vegetation and algae going up in smoke is hardly a drop in the ocean.
JoeAltmaier 11y ago
Denial doesn't end anything. Every ice pack on earth has melted or is currently melting. That means the globe is warming. Now, we really have End of discussion.

stpe 11y ago

UN's IPCC assessment reports - the fifth published last year - may give you some perspective on science's view of climate change (which is the commonly used term).

wnevets 11y ago

is this a troll post copied and pasted from facebook?

mhuffman 11y ago

Here is a chart of the cycles you are referring to, going back over 400,000 years. Look at the green one in the middle. You may have to look a little higher, all the way into the chart above it, in fact. Notice anything peculiar around the turn of the century? [1] http://i.imgur.com/cHbKpLh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/cHbKpLh.jpg

tstactplsignore 11y ago

There's no evidence that Mars is exhibiting long term warming trends, and most bodies in the solar system are not warming. The sun is currently in a cooling cycle, and all evidence indicates that solar forcing has a much lower impact on rising temperatures than increased greenhouse gases. Explained here: http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system-intermediate.htm http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets... It took me about 10 seconds of googling to find the answer explained easily for the layperson as to why you were wrong- and yet, you've never so much as taken that basic step, let alone examine any of the scientific literature on the topic, and you immediately jumped to the conclusion that the overwhelming majority of scientists who study climate and Earth sciences worldwide are wrong. There have been hundreds of papers written on the topic, all by experts who reach conclusions that disagree with you, and you examined none of that research. It is the sheer arrogance of the climate change denier that is so startling to me.

AuLaVache 11y ago
>indicates that solar forcing has a much lower impact on rising temperatures than increased greenhouse gases. Could be. But I would argue that sites like SkS, which are fairly partisan in their views like to look only at TSI and ignore other solar factors. The Sun effects us in many unexpected ways. See for example here: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/08jan_sunclimate/ http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/08... And here: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/10/5/054022;jsessionid=F87A9539A4F89BEF6AA70596DC97E24D.c1 http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/10/5/054... The last link (looking at the UV part of the spectrum) could explain the warming of the Atlantic we have been experiencing, See this graph of the AMO (yes, not the same as the NOA outlined in the paper - but related) and NH temperatures: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-amo/from:1960/mean:30/plot/hadsst2nh/from:1960/mean:30/plot/hadcrut3nh/from:1960/mean:30 http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-amo/from:1960/mean:30/... The AMO does seems to be "externally forced" I.e. not related to CO2, but probably/possibly some solar related mechanism. http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140225/ncomms4323/full/ncomms4323.html http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140225/ncomms4323/full/nco... The whole thing is damn complicated. Different parts of the spectrum impact on different parts of atmospheric chemistry (e.g. ozone), and inter-relate with components like earth and solar magnetic fields, particles, GCRs, etc. Science is never settled (as SkS would have us believe) it's still in progress.

7952 11y ago

>> This is a clear indication humans are like a drop of blood in a Pacific Ocean It is hardly an indication of that. Large quantities of carbon were locked away millions of years ago and are now being released. Billions of tons of fossilized vegetation and algae going up in smoke is hardly a drop in the ocean.

JoeAltmaier 11y ago

Denial doesn't end anything. Every ice pack on earth has melted or is currently melting. That means the globe is warming. Now, we really have End of discussion.