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Insider: Oracle has lost interest in Java

49 points by scriptproof 11y ago

stephenr 11y ago
So Oracle has caught up with the rest of the world then?
- peterashford 11y ago
  http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index....
lightlyused 11y ago
Put it on github and let the community care for it. Please.
nowprovision 11y ago
Oracle probably doesn't have a great product story for Java and the JVM to sell to investors so losing direct interest isn't surprising, but given its close integration with many of their ecosystems as long as they continue to put a dozen awesome engineers into advancing the JVM and Java ecoysystem we all still win. Other large players like Azul and IBM also continue to push the JVM forward. Referring specifically to the language can Java evolve much further after 9? Other languages targeting the JVM such as Clojure, Scala, JRuby continue to gain traction so its all good.
- ecspike 11y ago
  They probably lost interest once they realized that Android/Google wouldn't give them the giant payday they wanted.
brento 11y ago
I wish they would have mentioned what languages the company is using instead of Java. I would think they would at least have an interest in maintaining it, especially since I'm guessing a company that size couldn't have moved everything they support away from Java yet.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > I wish they would have mentioned what languages the company is using instead of Java. This isn't about them being uninterested in using Java, its about them being uninterested in sharing Java with their competitors or being responsive to other users' needs in the community when it comes to developing Java. Oracle's use of Java internally -- and developing Java in ways that serve Oracle's own uses -- doesn't seem to be at issue. OTOH, its based on a single note from an anonymous "former high-ranking Java official", so I'm not sure how much credence I'd give it. It fits with a lot of what people think -- for some good reasons -- about Oracle's attitude toward open source generally, but any "former high-ranking Java official" with a personal axe to grind with Oracle would recognize that opportunity.
  - mbfg 11y ago
    The article reads like they are really talking about Java EE, not java itself. I'm not suggesting i buy either argument.
dhimes 11y ago
At least in my limited world view Oracle deserves praise when it comes to how they handled the open source stuff. I'm sure there is room for criticism, but they could have been complete assholes and they weren't.
- pgaddict 11y ago
  You mean like killing OpenSolaris or sidelining the JCP, for example?
  - dhimes 11y ago
    Yes, of course, that's exactly what I mean. Sheesh.
    - coldtea 11y ago
      So what do you mean, then? Because that, and the Android/Java lawsuit are anything but praiseworthy. If they've done any minor good in dealing with open source, it pales with comparison to those kind of offenses...
      - dhimes 11y ago
        I am glad they didn't shut down access to java and mysql. But after your and pgaddict's comments I did a little browsing and see what you mean. They haven't exactly been stellar.
sogen 11y ago
bulls#it, their stuff is so pricey they are way too happy to continue selling it.
CmonDev 11y ago
Not too late to switch to a very similar yet well-improved open-source language that was created and is being actively maintained by same company: https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn
RexRollman 11y ago
Oracle can burn in hell. Least anyone forget, they are pursing a line of attack against Android that, if successful, would seriously harm programming and reverse engineering. I encourage everyone to avoid Oracle where possible.

49 points by scriptproof 11y ago

stephenr 11y ago

So Oracle has caught up with the rest of the world then?

peterashford 11y ago
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index....

lightlyused 11y ago

Put it on github and let the community care for it. Please.

nowprovision 11y ago

Oracle probably doesn't have a great product story for Java and the JVM to sell to investors so losing direct interest isn't surprising, but given its close integration with many of their ecosystems as long as they continue to put a dozen awesome engineers into advancing the JVM and Java ecoysystem we all still win. Other large players like Azul and IBM also continue to push the JVM forward. Referring specifically to the language can Java evolve much further after 9? Other languages targeting the JVM such as Clojure, Scala, JRuby continue to gain traction so its all good.

ecspike 11y ago
They probably lost interest once they realized that Android/Google wouldn't give them the giant payday they wanted.

brento 11y ago

I wish they would have mentioned what languages the company is using instead of Java. I would think they would at least have an interest in maintaining it, especially since I'm guessing a company that size couldn't have moved everything they support away from Java yet.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> I wish they would have mentioned what languages the company is using instead of Java. This isn't about them being uninterested in using Java, its about them being uninterested in sharing Java with their competitors or being responsive to other users' needs in the community when it comes to developing Java. Oracle's use of Java internally -- and developing Java in ways that serve Oracle's own uses -- doesn't seem to be at issue. OTOH, its based on a single note from an anonymous "former high-ranking Java official", so I'm not sure how much credence I'd give it. It fits with a lot of what people think -- for some good reasons -- about Oracle's attitude toward open source generally, but any "former high-ranking Java official" with a personal axe to grind with Oracle would recognize that opportunity.
- mbfg 11y ago
  The article reads like they are really talking about Java EE, not java itself. I'm not suggesting i buy either argument.

dhimes 11y ago

At least in my limited world view Oracle deserves praise when it comes to how they handled the open source stuff. I'm sure there is room for criticism, but they could have been complete assholes and they weren't.

pgaddict 11y ago
You mean like killing OpenSolaris or sidelining the JCP, for example?
- dhimes 11y ago
  Yes, of course, that's exactly what I mean. Sheesh.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    So what do you mean, then? Because that, and the Android/Java lawsuit are anything but praiseworthy. If they've done any minor good in dealing with open source, it pales with comparison to those kind of offenses...
    - dhimes 11y ago
      I am glad they didn't shut down access to java and mysql. But after your and pgaddict's comments I did a little browsing and see what you mean. They haven't exactly been stellar.

sogen 11y ago

bulls#it, their stuff is so pricey they are way too happy to continue selling it.

CmonDev 11y ago

Not too late to switch to a very similar yet well-improved open-source language that was created and is being actively maintained by same company: https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn

RexRollman 11y ago

Oracle can burn in hell. Least anyone forget, they are pursing a line of attack against Android that, if successful, would seriously harm programming and reverse engineering. I encourage everyone to avoid Oracle where possible.