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"Pollution is much lower when traffic is fluid" - that's all very nice, but have you been to Paris recently? As in, within the last 50 years? On a usual day (i.

"Pollution is much lower when traffic is fluid" - that's all very nice, but have you been to Paris recently? As in, within the last 50 years? On a usual day (i.e. one without a citywide car restriction), there's no such thing as "fluid traffic" there - you shuffle forward, meter by meter, in a massive traffic jam covering the city. Also, you are severely underestimating the public transport network - "if you come from far away for work," you have probably left your car at a train station and rode into the city on a RER or a Metro train. Same goes for the other objections, strange as it may seem to USians. In other words, your arguments seem to hinge on "if Paris were an American type of city, a citywide car ban would suck." Thankfully, it's not one (i.e. driving a car is an option, not a necessity).

czzarr 11y ago
I've been living in Paris since 1997, so yes, I know what I'm talking about. I agree that on a usual day, there are massive traffic jams everywhere. That's because of the relentless resourcefulness with which the leftist mayors have been hindering car transportation in Paris, by constructing countless bus lanes, fake bike lanes, road bumps and other extravaganza. They have artfully managed to completely fuck up Paris traffic. "Driving a car is an option". We'll see when you are 80 years old and can't take the bus or subway alone. We'll see when you have to move after 1am. We'll see when you are disabled. We'll see when you have to move your children outside the city for sports for instance. Trains are all fine and dandy but they don't go door to door. Oh and btw: I'm young, single, without child, don't own a car and cycle everywhere. I'm just pissed off by all that hipster bullshit. Last thing: when actual real solutions to traffic problems such as Uber Pop arise, they are crushed by the government. See the hypocrisy now ?
- ocschwar 11y ago
  "I agree that on a usual day, there are massive traffic jams everywhere." So, how much of Paris should be leveled to widen roadways? Do you want to see what a city looks like where there aren't massive traffic jams everywhere? Visit Pensacola or Tampa Bay in Florida. Driving is easy. Nothing else is.
  - czzarr 11y ago
    Roadways don't have to be widened. Just not continually shrinked like they've been for the last 10 years. Traffic is noticeably worse now than 5 years ago, and much worse than 10 years ago, while the population size hasn't grown as much.

czzarr 11y ago

I've been living in Paris since 1997, so yes, I know what I'm talking about. I agree that on a usual day, there are massive traffic jams everywhere. That's because of the relentless resourcefulness with which the leftist mayors have been hindering car transportation in Paris, by constructing countless bus lanes, fake bike lanes, road bumps and other extravaganza. They have artfully managed to completely fuck up Paris traffic. "Driving a car is an option". We'll see when you are 80 years old and can't take the bus or subway alone. We'll see when you have to move after 1am. We'll see when you are disabled. We'll see when you have to move your children outside the city for sports for instance. Trains are all fine and dandy but they don't go door to door. Oh and btw: I'm young, single, without child, don't own a car and cycle everywhere. I'm just pissed off by all that hipster bullshit. Last thing: when actual real solutions to traffic problems such as Uber Pop arise, they are crushed by the government. See the hypocrisy now ?

ocschwar 11y ago
"I agree that on a usual day, there are massive traffic jams everywhere." So, how much of Paris should be leveled to widen roadways? Do you want to see what a city looks like where there aren't massive traffic jams everywhere? Visit Pensacola or Tampa Bay in Florida. Driving is easy. Nothing else is.
- czzarr 11y ago
  Roadways don't have to be widened. Just not continually shrinked like they've been for the last 10 years. Traffic is noticeably worse now than 5 years ago, and much worse than 10 years ago, while the population size hasn't grown as much.