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Tesla Model X Launch event, livestream
- butwhy 11y agoHe seemed to get a bit technical when talking about filters. I wish he had been more clear and described exactly what the use of filters were to normal people. In that when you're in the vehicle, you'll be breathing in less toxins emitted by other vehicles etc.
- oska 11y ago> you'll be breathing in less toxins emitted by other vehicles etc Yes, air pollution from ICE cars (petrol and diesel) and all other sources of pollution. I think they are touting this with an eye to the China market, where many people have air filtration systems within their homes and apartments. This means that they will be able to have good quality air when they are in their cars too.
- bhauer 11y agoLate as usual. If any Tesla event ever starts on time, I'm going to miss the beginning because I won't tune in for 30 minutes.
- nerdy 11y agoFirst time trying to watch one of their events for me, figured I already missed it and wondered why their stream was still running.
- condescendence 11y agoDid the exact same thing, 40 mins in and nada...
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- nikkwong 11y agoBeen waiting 45 minutes now. Some updates are available on http://fortune.com/2015/09/29/live-tesla-model-x-event/ http://fortune.com/2015/09/29/live-tesla-model-x-event/
- curiousjorge 11y ago8pm PACIFIC it's now 8:42pm PACIFIC.
- cloudwalking 11y agoTesla events always start late. Powerwall event started 40 minutes late.
- e28eta 11y agoI found a Periscope stream on Twitter, keeping an eye on that to know when the event starts. Hitting play on the live stream logs a 403 forbidden from Akamai on the official stream, I'm not confident it'll work when there's actually some content.
- cloudwalking 11y agoI do wish they had used YouTube for live stream, instead of livestream.com, like SpaceX. Less janky.
- Corrado 11y agoThis seems to be a good capture on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUz_EXSmp9w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUz_EXSmp9w
- CookieMon 11y agoAnyone know a link that doesn't require Flash?
- g8gggu89 11y agoIt's 8:52 now, wtf is going on?
- c54 11y agoStarting now!
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- Plough_Jogger 11y agoIt's important to note - these events happen on MST, not PST. That's 'Musk' Standard Time.
- rdl 11y agoFinally it starts, 52 minutes late.
- sergiotapia 11y agoHe's claiming 6% possibility of injury during high speed collision. Imagine any other CEO saying something similar for their product - Elon is the man! Any other suit would say "Five star" over and over.
- vessenes 11y agoI was thinking about what a module from Iain Bank's Culture series would rate for injury percentages, and thinking that it would be rad for a team to have that sort of goal, like every few years aiming at cutting 50% of the remaining risk out.
- vinay427 11y ago(EDIT: It appears that the crash test rating was also mentioned. I really should watch the presentation before commenting next time; sorry folks.) I haven't heard the actual presentation yet so perhaps I'm missing some context but: How exactly is stating a percentage any better than a crash test rating? At least the rating gives you something to compare with (other vehicles) and the tests themselves are well-documented and reasonably well-designed. I would have no idea what to do with a percentage, so it seems like he has replaced a buzzword (crash test ratings) that means something with a buzzword (possibility of injury during high speed collision) that doesn't provide a point of reference.
- greglindahl 11y agoHe's claiming they did better than 5 stars, similar to what Tesla claimed about Model S. Tomorrow, you can bet that the feds will be complaining.
- 36erhefg 11y agoCan you source that actual claim about Model S?
- greglindahl 11y agoTesla press release: http://wayback.archive.org/web/20130820005458/http://www.teslamotors.com/about/press/releases/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safety-rating-any-car-ever-tested http://wayback.archive.org/web/20130820005458/http://www.tes... (Edit: I had to link to the wayback machine because Tesla subsequently removed the press release. Alternately, there's also the blog posting that you yourself pointed to elsewhere in this thread, with the same language: http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-safety-rating-any-car-ever-tested http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/tesla-model-s-achieves-best-...) The feds pushed back that 5 stars is the max, and there's no such thing as doing better than 5 stars.
- intopieces 11y agoIf the crowd keeps cheering every time Musk takes a breath, it's going to be a long night. Imagine if they did this at the board meetings.
- phillco 11y agoIs there a reason why Tesla events happen at night?
- erikpukinskis 11y agoIt's basically a party for their longtime supporters.
- aianus 11y agoIt has a zombie apocalypse mode? I'm sold!
- 36erhefg 11y agoThe doors opening in that narrow space; crowd went insane. Livestream link: http://livestream.com/accounts/4186560/events/4387735/player http://livestream.com/accounts/4186560/events/4387735/player
- dskhatri 11y agoIn the tight parking spot scenario, how does the driver get out of the car?
- 36erhefg 11y agoDunno, but he showed the falcon door opening problem doesn't exist.
- nsxwolf 11y agoClimb over the front seat into the back seat or vice versa. I've had to do it before, when boxed in at a weird angle.
- 61cygni 11y agoSince it's a suv I bet you could get out through the 2nd row. Would be a heck of a lot easier than opening a regular swinging door.
- tsotha 11y agoIf there's space between the front seats you could get through that way.
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- Zaheer 11y agoElon Musk is a terrible speaker but it works because he's so genuine.
- TheHydroImpulse 11y agoHe's not terrible, just a bit rough. I find his presentations far more appealing than any "perfect" presentation companies like Google, Apple or Facebook make. He also doesn't fluff anything up or over sell anything. He tells the facts in a way people can understand and that's it.
- agumonkey 11y agoI assume the people at the end were early 'buyers'. The smile on their face worked better than any words to me.
- h43k3r 11y agoI have watched Google IO, WWDC etc many times. Speaker come and speak fluently about a teeny tiny feature for half an hour. Elon on the other side is plain and direct. The halts and the roughness actually makes me more attentive because of the change.
- condescendence 11y agoBeautiful and everything so far, but looks and demeanor wise it's like a full size car.
- hkmurakami 11y agoYup. Saw one driving around their HQ recently and it was a rather large vehicle.
- bane 11y agoNot just available now, but the cars are being given directly to the initial buyers right on stage.
- tsotha 11y agoLooks nice. Is this really an SUV, though? It looks like a sedan.
- csours 11y agoA lot of SUVs are basically raised sedans. Only the very largest SUVs have fundamental differences from "cars" - Expedition, Escalade, Tahoe, etc. Disclaimer: I work for GM. Side note: no one will get away with building shit after this. And thats a GOOD THING.
- semi-extrinsic 11y agoNo, a lot of SUVs are basically raised estate cars. This is a raised sedan. When Mercedes did the same thing and said the new MLC (which looks identical to a Model X) is an SUV they got laughed at. When Tesla does it it's apparently all-OK. But really, they couldn't build a "proper" electric SUV, the poor aerodynamics would kill the range of a car which already has ~20% less range than the Model S.
- outericky 11y ago3 rows of seats. 5000lb towing capacity. taller styling. yup.
- kukkukb 11y agoI guess it's styling is a bit like the X6: http://www.bmwusa.com/bmw/xmodels/x6 http://www.bmwusa.com/bmw/xmodels/x6
- astrojams 11y agoThe automatic opening front door is cool
- tsotha 11y agoLittle slow, though. I'd rather wrench open the door manually than wait for that thing. When Musk demoed it he slid in sideways so it wasn't so obvious.
- stock_toaster 11y agoProbably door sensors doing 1: omg is there something next to me? 2: nope! ok..open door a bit more.. 3: goto 1 I imagine the door flying open and bonking into things would be far more upsetting to customers than a slow one that you can open by hand to speed up the process.
- rdl 11y agoCurious how much the Whole Foods bags from the frunk cost as a product placement.
- loceng 11y agoI took it as Tesla trying to connect with Whole Foods' demographic.
- tsotha 11y agoYep. People with money who're going to be receptive to the "sustainability" pitch.
- codezero 11y agoWhy's that in quotes? It's definitely one of their explicit pitches, and there's a solid demographic of people who care about sustainability and the environment, especially amongst people buying all electric cars.
- drew-y 11y agoDefinitely highlights Tesla's target market.
- butwhy 11y agoI'm sure the crowd would have loved to see a Walmart bag instead.
- nsxwolf 11y agoSo that was the launch, and there's still no price?
- greglindahl 11y agoThe price has been known for months? At least for the initial cars, which are fully-loaded and thus a lot more expensive than the base model. Tesla has said for quite a while that the base model is going to be a bit more than Model S.
- codeulike 11y agoThey've announced prices for the full loaded expensive models. And they're expensive. The entry level models are coming later. Elon said an X will be about $5000 more than the equivalent S (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/639170376186990592 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/639170376186990592). So if they release a 70D version it will be about $80,000 before incentives are taken off.
- Niksko 11y agoThe Model 3 will be my first car, unless my circumstances necessitate that I have one sooner. The stuff that Tesla is doing is just so bonkers cool. Not only that though, I'm sure it's going to be safe, reliable and fast.
- elevensies 11y agoStarts at 19:30 on the player.
- yekim 11y agoCaught the tail end of the event. Elon definitely comes across as genuine and a real person. That said, a little practice in the stage presence / showmanship department could certainly help things flow smoother and amp up the excitement a bit; something this brand and its cars deserve!
- colechristensen 11y agoEverything is overmarketed these days. I prefer things underdone.
- agumonkey 11y agoAnd he is actually plowing hard on real value, unlike so many industries. Tesla raises everything up to eleven, leaving the low hanging fruits being background noise. I don't want to win an easy Jobs point, but it feels like the early iPhone era. They bring out new engineering features on a regular basis that are 2x better than the state of the market. I wonder how angry the other manufacturers are now.
- BigChiefSmokem 11y agoI enjoyed it a lot. It had that iPhone/iPad launch (genuine) excitement to it. Those cheers were real even if half of them were Tesla employees. And yeah he should practice more but I also don't think you can fake the kind of charm someone like Steve Jobs just naturally had on stage.
- rootlocus 11y agoThat's an odd expression: "comes across as genuine and a real person". Aren't we all real? Is this a fantasy?
- hayksaakian 11y agoGenuine in the sense of honesty
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- dmcginty 11y agoI admire Tesla as a company, but I can't help but wonder why they still have Elon Musk do the entire presentation himself. Sure, he's their superstar, but he comes off as a very underprepared public speaker. I wish they had him do an introduction, and then have a spokesperson do the bulk of the talking. Instead, he's showing off these new and amazing products with nearly no charisma and enthusiasm.
- karpathy 11y agoI think I like it better with Elon, than if there was some random sales pitch person with a perfectly rehearsed and forcefully over-enthusiastic presentation. It's a combination of respect for the man, and a sense in which we're geeking out over the features together in an informal and relaxed manner. Something like that.
- goatforce5 11y agoThere a happy middle ground. People like Schiller or Federighi from Apple are both slick presenters, sometimes teetering on the edge of cheesiness, but it's all saved by the fact that you can tell they really know and care about the product.
- sergiotapia 11y agoPeople respond to that. Makes me feel like he believes in the product and is not some gypsy.
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- IBM 11y agoMade me cringe when customers came up to drive off with their cars. Really felt like a Samsung tier presentation.
- 36erhefg 11y ago
- gesman 11y agoI'm on the market for a car in Bay area and was considering Tesla until met with somewhat uninspiring people at Tesla dealership delivering conversation in kind of "Yes. No. Thank you" manner leaving me with impression that they were busy with something more interesting than my presence and hoping i won't keep asking these stupid questions about tesla cars. Were i suppose to make an appointment to avoid being an intrusion factor? Not sure how it works there. Their self-guided, touch screen TV was way more entertaining but not enough to convince me to become customer though.
- greglindahl 11y agoSounds like you want to buy from salespeople on commission.
- gesman 11y agoI don't mind paying for good service, whatever way it was delivered. Good service followed by the good product seems like a win win, unless of course some links in this chain are not "as good".
- greglindahl 11y agoTesla's non-commissioned showroom employees are a lot less pushy than commissioned car salespeople. Maybe you prefer the latter.
- johansch 11y agoNot being pushy is not the same as seeming disinterested. Compare with Apple stores sales staff - also not on commission.
- greglindahl 11y agoPersonally, I found Apple and Tesla's employees to be about the same in attitude.
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- flyrain 11y agoAnybody knows the price?
- derek 11y agoThey revealed today that the base model has a 90kWh battery, which is currently the top-of-the-line pack size for the Model S. Thus, it's almost certain that the starting point will be north of 90k and very likely over 100k with a few basic options thrown in.
- rubberbandage 11y agoIf they haven’t already updated the website, it’s priced about $5000 more than a comparable-spec Model S: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/639170376186990592 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/639170376186990592
- abhv 11y agoso who were the VIPs who took possession? I heard that he mentioned "Sergey" as the owner for vin 3. I didnt recognize the others.
- tdylan 11y agoOnly recognised the last one. It's Steve Jurvetson, from DFJ. He got the one of the first Model S's. Also invested in Tesla.
- mikeyouse 11y ago"Also invested in Tesla" is a bit short... He's on the board at both Tesla and SpaceX (DFJ gave both tens of millions of dollars).. According to his Twitter / Flickr feed, he's probably the world's biggest Musk fan, and probably not just because his investments with Elon made him hundreds of millions in personal wealth.
- tdylan 11y agoWell aware of the history, did not find it immediately relevant. Also, Steve doesn't sell shares of most/any of the companies he invests in, he donates them.
- mikeyouse 11y agoApologies if that came off rude, I get a bit excited with SJ.. I'm almost as much of a Steve Jurvetson fan as many others are Elon Musk fans.. the dude is amazing. He should probably start delivering some of the Tesla event speeches, he's well-spoken but every bit as technical as Elon.
- tdylan 11y agoDidn't think it was rude at all. For what it's worth I enjoy Steve's talks more than Elon's, I think it's fair to say he's the smartest VC out there. Incredible breadth of intellect, and from what it seems, a really cool guy.
- addicted 11y agoPeople complaining about Elon's charisma are missing a lot of Tesla's history and brand. It has a very significant customer base that almost consider themselves part of the company (e.g. throwing parties for employees at a Tesla store). Part of the reason is because Elon Musk treats these events not as a marketing presentation but basically like someone showing off their latest creation to their family (a lot of customers are invited to the events). Also, Tesla is seeing awesome success right now, but there was a time (pre Model S) when Elon Musk was basically begging customers to trust him and keep their preorders because they were close to going bankrupt (eventually a govt loan combined with the faith those customers placed in Elon Musk is what saved them). He had enough charisma to convince a significant chunk of people to give him a significant amount of money when it was looking like the company would not even be there a few months from then. Tesla's brand is that they genuinely care for their customers (and I have not seen any reason to disbelieve that so far), and Elon Musk's presentations while not spiffy help reinforce that.
- rebootthesystem 11y agoThe car looks absolutely beautiful. Sadly, as much as I want to go electric, I have no use for it, at $140K for an SUV I expect a lot more than this. I think the falcon doors solve a non-existing problem while parking. I can't remember the last time this was an issue, with or without kids, with or without cargo or bags on the back seat of either an SUV or a minivan. The same is true of the third row seat. We've had both SUV's and minivans with third rows. Never an issue, even for adults. The falcon wings are very cool from a technological perspective but a complete non-starter for me. Bikes, surfboards and other stuff need to go on a roof rack. I can't see any way to transport our Maas rowing shells on this thing. They are 24 feet long and have to go on the roof. I've even brought home 2x4's and sheets of plywood from Home Depot on top of SUV's and minivans. Can you open the falcon wing doors by hand if you have no power? I'd be surprised if this was not possible. Towing is another aspect of this car that is likely to disappoint outside of a stage. If anyone expects to be able to do 250 miles while towing a 5,000 lbs trailer on anything other than an absolutely flat road with a 60 mile per hour tail winds they are going to be disappointed. As drag increases so will current draw and electrical losses, which will be constant and very significant. Weight is more of a factor on non-flat roads, which is nearly 100% of them anywhere I've been. I'd be surprised if the actual range while towing is much more than half the rated non-towing range. What's good? Crash performance is fantastic! HEPA filter: Unreal. Nice. It looks amazing. It's electric! I sincerely think Tesla should have come up with a new acronym for Model X: LUV - Luxury Utility Vehicle. That, no doubt, it is.
- threeseed 11y agoTesla really needs to earn the title of luxury. The S-model really does have one of the worst interiors I've seen on a brand new car at any price. They really need to hire someone from Land Rover or Mercedes to understand what luxury actually looks like. They can't use the cheap plastics and leather and expect people to look at it as a luxury car. It's a shame when the exterior is so well designed.
- greglindahl 11y agoYou've made this complaint repeatedly in HN threads, but it doesn't seem that many reviewers or Tesla customers agree with you.
- stefanix 11y agoFirst time I have seen a HEPA filter as a central feature of a car. Tesla certainly understands the main reason people buy SUVs: feel safer