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If only there were some sort of venue where people could socialize some sort of set of shared values to connect the daily struggles of the individual in the pre

If only there were some sort of venue where people could socialize some sort of set of shared values to connect the daily struggles of the individual in the present moment to the community, and to the future... a way to build stories around what it means to be a good human being, and to teach the next generation how to live a better life. we could call it something like, say, "organized religion". funny thing, though, it seems to get a bad rap on these pages more often than not :b for further reading, consider: http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Human-Evolution-Paleolithic-Axial/dp/0674061438 http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Human-Evolution-Paleolithic-A...

jqm 11y ago
If only this venue thing you speak of hadn't been cutting off heads and burning at stakes and filling the pockets of fraudsters and promoting outrageous superstitions and unjust persecutions for the past several thousand years it might be worth investigating. As it is... it does indeed have a bad rap. Deservedly.
- fennecfoxen 11y ago
  Oh, don't worry! These days we have plenty of other venues for filling the pockets of fraudsters and promoting unjust persecutions and the like. (Will have to get back to you about the beheadings, though - secular beheadings have been pretty minimal since the French revolution.)
- kbutler 11y ago
  Can we nip the climate change religion in the bud? I hope you find these examples horrible regardless of your opinions on CO2-governed climate change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFO0ayOz9FY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFO0ayOz9FY (Warning: This is a horrific video that shows climate change activists graphically executing children and others who disagree with the climate change orthodoxy. It was produced by the climate change activist group 1010uk to promote reduction of carbon dioxide emissions.) Or maybe we should only strangle doubters and "their kind" in their sleep (Joe Romm). Or just have trials with unspecified consequences (James Hansen). Persecution and execution are more strongly correlated with tribalism and ambition than religion. See French Revolution, Nazi-ism, high school, and internet comment forums. Religion is an excuse for persecution, not usually a cause.
Retra 11y ago
See, you jumped to "organized religion" when you only needed to go as far as "organized." Not an uncommon mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.

jqm 11y ago

If only this venue thing you speak of hadn't been cutting off heads and burning at stakes and filling the pockets of fraudsters and promoting outrageous superstitions and unjust persecutions for the past several thousand years it might be worth investigating. As it is... it does indeed have a bad rap. Deservedly.

fennecfoxen 11y ago
Oh, don't worry! These days we have plenty of other venues for filling the pockets of fraudsters and promoting unjust persecutions and the like. (Will have to get back to you about the beheadings, though - secular beheadings have been pretty minimal since the French revolution.)
kbutler 11y ago
Can we nip the climate change religion in the bud? I hope you find these examples horrible regardless of your opinions on CO2-governed climate change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFO0ayOz9FY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFO0ayOz9FY (Warning: This is a horrific video that shows climate change activists graphically executing children and others who disagree with the climate change orthodoxy. It was produced by the climate change activist group 1010uk to promote reduction of carbon dioxide emissions.) Or maybe we should only strangle doubters and "their kind" in their sleep (Joe Romm). Or just have trials with unspecified consequences (James Hansen). Persecution and execution are more strongly correlated with tribalism and ambition than religion. See French Revolution, Nazi-ism, high school, and internet comment forums. Religion is an excuse for persecution, not usually a cause.

Retra 11y ago

See, you jumped to "organized religion" when you only needed to go as far as "organized." Not an uncommon mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.