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The useful life is limited by duration of security updates, if you care about such things. Google are strictly following their recently announced 18 month/3 yea

by zurn 11y ago

The useful life is limited by duration of security updates, if you care about such things. Google are strictly following their recently announced 18 month/3 year rule. Eg no Stagefright update to 5.1.1 for the Nexus 7 v1 even though it was just a few months previously updated to 5.1.1 This means you probably should only buy Nexus devices when they're new to market, unless you're happy with a 18 month lifespan for your device.

0xFFC 11y ago
I haven't seen any official statement about nexus device update policy. Do you have any official reference ? p.s. People please stop claiming what you a fact. p.s. Being right about not getting update (n7 v1) dos not make your argument true.
- sorenjan 11y ago
  > Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Nexus 6, Nexus 7, Nexus 9, and Nexus 10 devices get the latest version of Android directly from Google. These devices will receive Android version updates for at least two years from when the device first became available on the Google Store. > Nexus devices will also receive updates for security issues considered Critical for at least the following periods: > * Three years from when the device first became available on the Google Store > * Or, 18 months after the device stopped being sold on the Google Store https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705?hl=en https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705?hl=en
  - zurn 11y ago
    Yep. Notice how this phrasing does not say the listed models are currently being updated, just says how support length is calculated. Nexus 7 (2012) Stagerfright update is just missing without specific un-announcement, but it fits the schedule. It was sold till early 2013, 18 months from that... See threads on XDA etc for discussion on its absence.
  - 0xFFC 11y ago
    Thank you for reference . Now you have facts . This makes sense , my next phone definitely will not be a nexus (and believe me I was hardcore fan of nexus since the day they begun nexus program). Getting update for only 2 year ? Give me a break . I will be switch to another platform , definitely , I was waiting for ubuntu phone . I will seriously consider them for my next purchase. I am thinking about ditching whole phone/tablet or switching to phone with official support of CyanogenMod (which I think that didn't go anywhere). p.s. For multiple times when somebody claimed that , their only references was AndroidPolice site , which I don't give shit about . But seems google quietly updated their policy. (which is unacceptable for me as power user)
    - georgemcbay 11y ago
      Which platform are you going to switch to exactly that has a better official update policy than this one? Not trying to be snarky, but Google's policy is as good or better than most (perhaps all? I haven't heard of a better option, though they may exist) and at least they are completely transparent about it. They also have good policies around keeping the bootloaders unlockable so if they do EOL it and you want to update with unofficial builds, that's an option, just not one they officially support for all sorts of obvious reasons.
      - 0xFFC 11y ago
        Think of it like this , in near future (maybe in 2016 holiday) you can buy device with Tegra X1 processor which is almost power full as low end desktop device (which I have 3 of them and I run ARCH on them ). Okay ? but the fun part comes here, these devices after two year will become obsolete , you know why ? not because of their hardware , because their hardware will be more than enough for running ordinary tasks , just because fucking big names like Google,Samsung,etc don't want you to keep your device long enough . The problem with old devices was their lack of power for new increasing computing even for ordinary people (because this industry was infant). But ARM architecture based SoC and embedded CPU will pass (or passing/passed) a threshold . After this threshold you will be able to run ordinary app (I am not talking about high end 3d 4k gaming, I am talking about browsing internet,chatting , reading) for daily usage maybe for 5 year or even more. but your device will become obsolete , because of these thief's . ( I hate how big corporation ripping people off ) Let me give you an instance , you can have a pc desktop with 2gb ram from 2008 . If you are using your device for reading and ordinary job I bet you can install windows 10-32bit (which is state of art) on it and use it without any serious issue . This is the problem with whole ecosystem of Gadgets. Even if you buy a device with tegra x1 SoC(which is powerful as shit) , You should throw it away after 2 year , or you are sticking to old version of android (put aside how much security threat it has) .They can develop a solution for this problem with spending money. But why spending money when they can rip off people ?
devit 11y ago
That's ridiculous. They should commit to providing updates to the phones forever.
- maxerickson 11y ago
  I hope they don't, I don't want to pay for such a thing. Given the US cell carriers move towards a leasing model for devices, I think there are many people who don't want to pay for updates to 5 year old devices. I don't like that move, I'd prefer to see people paying upfront for cheap devices, but I take it as a evidence that more people want new devices than want updates forever.

by zurn 11y ago

0xFFC 11y ago

I haven't seen any official statement about nexus device update policy. Do you have any official reference ? p.s. People please stop claiming what you a fact. p.s. Being right about not getting update (n7 v1) dos not make your argument true.

sorenjan 11y ago
> Nexus 4, Nexus 5, Nexus 6, Nexus 7, Nexus 9, and Nexus 10 devices get the latest version of Android directly from Google. These devices will receive Android version updates for at least two years from when the device first became available on the Google Store. > Nexus devices will also receive updates for security issues considered Critical for at least the following periods: > * Three years from when the device first became available on the Google Store > * Or, 18 months after the device stopped being sold on the Google Store https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705?hl=en https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705?hl=en
- zurn 11y ago
  Yep. Notice how this phrasing does not say the listed models are currently being updated, just says how support length is calculated. Nexus 7 (2012) Stagerfright update is just missing without specific un-announcement, but it fits the schedule. It was sold till early 2013, 18 months from that... See threads on XDA etc for discussion on its absence.
- 0xFFC 11y ago
  Thank you for reference . Now you have facts . This makes sense , my next phone definitely will not be a nexus (and believe me I was hardcore fan of nexus since the day they begun nexus program). Getting update for only 2 year ? Give me a break . I will be switch to another platform , definitely , I was waiting for ubuntu phone . I will seriously consider them for my next purchase. I am thinking about ditching whole phone/tablet or switching to phone with official support of CyanogenMod (which I think that didn't go anywhere). p.s. For multiple times when somebody claimed that , their only references was AndroidPolice site , which I don't give shit about . But seems google quietly updated their policy. (which is unacceptable for me as power user)
  - georgemcbay 11y ago
    Which platform are you going to switch to exactly that has a better official update policy than this one? Not trying to be snarky, but Google's policy is as good or better than most (perhaps all? I haven't heard of a better option, though they may exist) and at least they are completely transparent about it. They also have good policies around keeping the bootloaders unlockable so if they do EOL it and you want to update with unofficial builds, that's an option, just not one they officially support for all sorts of obvious reasons.
    - 0xFFC 11y ago
      Think of it like this , in near future (maybe in 2016 holiday) you can buy device with Tegra X1 processor which is almost power full as low end desktop device (which I have 3 of them and I run ARCH on them ). Okay ? but the fun part comes here, these devices after two year will become obsolete , you know why ? not because of their hardware , because their hardware will be more than enough for running ordinary tasks , just because fucking big names like Google,Samsung,etc don't want you to keep your device long enough . The problem with old devices was their lack of power for new increasing computing even for ordinary people (because this industry was infant). But ARM architecture based SoC and embedded CPU will pass (or passing/passed) a threshold . After this threshold you will be able to run ordinary app (I am not talking about high end 3d 4k gaming, I am talking about browsing internet,chatting , reading) for daily usage maybe for 5 year or even more. but your device will become obsolete , because of these thief's . ( I hate how big corporation ripping people off ) Let me give you an instance , you can have a pc desktop with 2gb ram from 2008 . If you are using your device for reading and ordinary job I bet you can install windows 10-32bit (which is state of art) on it and use it without any serious issue . This is the problem with whole ecosystem of Gadgets. Even if you buy a device with tegra x1 SoC(which is powerful as shit) , You should throw it away after 2 year , or you are sticking to old version of android (put aside how much security threat it has) .They can develop a solution for this problem with spending money. But why spending money when they can rip off people ?

devit 11y ago

That's ridiculous. They should commit to providing updates to the phones forever.

maxerickson 11y ago
I hope they don't, I don't want to pay for such a thing. Given the US cell carriers move towards a leasing model for devices, I think there are many people who don't want to pay for updates to 5 year old devices. I don't like that move, I'd prefer to see people paying upfront for cheap devices, but I take it as a evidence that more people want new devices than want updates forever.