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Quite optimistic views there. Most content doesn't have a real monetary value beyond generating views. There won't be an acceptable ads consortium, advertisers

Quite optimistic views there. Most content doesn't have a real monetary value beyond generating views. There won't be an acceptable ads consortium, advertisers will only get more ruthless or die.

elipsey 11y ago
It really does seem like a race to the bottom at this point, but it's a releif to see that we're starting to move past calling people theives for ad blocking. Except for the scolding, this situation reminds of the days shortly before everyone had popup blocking built in to browsers; for normal people the internet is broken, and for us, it's hard to realize how awful it is until we use grandma's computer, and get a horrifying reminder of how the other half lives. If someone's business model relies on exploiting security flaws on the client, they shouldn't expect to trade on that forever.
- cpeterso 11y ago
  I don't use an ad blocker (because I want to experience the web that most users do), but it feels like the annoying ad problem has gotten much, much worse in just the last 1–2 months.
- Goronmon 11y ago
  ...it's hard to realize how awful it is until we use grandma's computer, and get a horrifying reminder of how the other half lives. I don't run an ad-blocker and I don't run into too many problems. I avoid sites that annoy me with ads, it's pretty simple. I actually have the reverse outlook that you have. I feel like most people over-exagerrate the ad problem to more easily justify running an ad-blocker.
  - BeefySwain 11y ago
    If you honestly believe that then you should try to associate with more technically illiterate. The web is a metaphorical minefield of malware. The average internet user can't download chrome without installing two or three pieces of adware along the way.
chasing 11y ago
> Most content doesn't have a real monetary value beyond generating views. There won't be an acceptable ads consortium, advertisers will only get more ruthless or die. Let's hope that sort of content dies. I mean: 10 Reasons I Hope That Kind of Content Dies -- #6 Will Blow Your Mind!!
- VLM 11y ago
  Its interesting that my local newspaper is primarily a social network for people I don't care about. A concert review by someone I don't care about, a theater review by someone I don't care about, a probably paid restaurant review by someone I don't care about. They do a heavy business in reselling a Reuters feed, corporate press releases, and government press releases, but I don't need any of that, or I get it from the source. Its quite possible "news" as a filler product is obsolete.
- LoSboccacc 11y ago
  One day I'll just talk viral the whole day and see what happen next.
omouse 11y ago
That's a good thing. There are a lot of things in life that constitute "make work". There's armies of writers and researchers out there who are working on creating filler content. They shouldn't be working on that junk. Advertisers don't need to be tracking damn near everything because much of the time that data and analysis is completely ignored. I think ads are the clearest sign that our society has generated a lot of make-work to keep people busy. Depressing.
LoSboccacc 11y ago
case in point https://citytog.wordpress.com/2015/09/29/iphone-users-beware-of-new-text-message-exploit/ https://citytog.wordpress.com/2015/09/29/iphone-users-beware... advertisers sending promotions trough iphone exploits

Quite optimistic views there. Most content doesn't have a real monetary value beyond generating views. There won't be an acceptable ads consortium, advertisers will only get more ruthless or die.

elipsey 11y ago

It really does seem like a race to the bottom at this point, but it's a releif to see that we're starting to move past calling people theives for ad blocking. Except for the scolding, this situation reminds of the days shortly before everyone had popup blocking built in to browsers; for normal people the internet is broken, and for us, it's hard to realize how awful it is until we use grandma's computer, and get a horrifying reminder of how the other half lives. If someone's business model relies on exploiting security flaws on the client, they shouldn't expect to trade on that forever.

cpeterso 11y ago
I don't use an ad blocker (because I want to experience the web that most users do), but it feels like the annoying ad problem has gotten much, much worse in just the last 1–2 months.
Goronmon 11y ago
...it's hard to realize how awful it is until we use grandma's computer, and get a horrifying reminder of how the other half lives. I don't run an ad-blocker and I don't run into too many problems. I avoid sites that annoy me with ads, it's pretty simple. I actually have the reverse outlook that you have. I feel like most people over-exagerrate the ad problem to more easily justify running an ad-blocker.
- BeefySwain 11y ago
  If you honestly believe that then you should try to associate with more technically illiterate. The web is a metaphorical minefield of malware. The average internet user can't download chrome without installing two or three pieces of adware along the way.

chasing 11y ago

> Most content doesn't have a real monetary value beyond generating views. There won't be an acceptable ads consortium, advertisers will only get more ruthless or die. Let's hope that sort of content dies. I mean: 10 Reasons I Hope That Kind of Content Dies -- #6 Will Blow Your Mind!!

VLM 11y ago
Its interesting that my local newspaper is primarily a social network for people I don't care about. A concert review by someone I don't care about, a theater review by someone I don't care about, a probably paid restaurant review by someone I don't care about. They do a heavy business in reselling a Reuters feed, corporate press releases, and government press releases, but I don't need any of that, or I get it from the source. Its quite possible "news" as a filler product is obsolete.
LoSboccacc 11y ago
One day I'll just talk viral the whole day and see what happen next.

omouse 11y ago

That's a good thing. There are a lot of things in life that constitute "make work". There's armies of writers and researchers out there who are working on creating filler content. They shouldn't be working on that junk. Advertisers don't need to be tracking damn near everything because much of the time that data and analysis is completely ignored. I think ads are the clearest sign that our society has generated a lot of make-work to keep people busy. Depressing.

LoSboccacc 11y ago

case in point https://citytog.wordpress.com/2015/09/29/iphone-users-beware-of-new-text-message-exploit/ https://citytog.wordpress.com/2015/09/29/iphone-users-beware... advertisers sending promotions trough iphone exploits