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The pizza delivery driver doesn't get any of that delivery charge. Not tipping the driver because of the delivery charge is essentially punishing the driver for

by djur 11y ago

The pizza delivery driver doesn't get any of that delivery charge. Not tipping the driver because of the delivery charge is essentially punishing the driver for the owner's desire to take their tips.

blhack 11y ago
>The pizza delivery driver doesn't get any of that delivery charge. Yes they do, in the form of being paid for mileage (at least I did when I was a delivery driver).
caskance 11y ago
The owner taking their tips is punishing the driver. It's not my responsibility to insulate the driver from that. I am paying a surcharge for delivery. That's reasonable. If the driver doesn't get the cut of that he feels he deserves, he can work somewhere else.
- bweitzman 11y ago
  This is the problem with tipping culture. It's misleading to advertise a delivery charge and then still expect to customers to tip, and when the driver and the customer are in disagreement or even just unaware of the other's position, it leads to people looking (and maybe feeling) like assholes on both sides.
- duderific 11y ago
  ...said someone who has obviously never worked for tips.
  - mpeg 11y ago
    No one is holding a gun to their heads though. I don't like tipping, I do it when I'm in the US because it is a norm but overall it feels like a scam; as I don't get any better service or quality than anywhere else in the world where the wait staff gets a decent wage. I get the feeling lots of tip workers hide behind the argument that they "don't get paid enough" because they simply make more money that way. Meanwhile, kitchen staff generally work harder and longer hours and don't often get their share.
- djur 11y ago
  By this same argument, you might as well not ever tip. I'd be happy for our society to eliminate tipping and replace it with better wages. But, until that happy day, there are people to whom it is customary to give tips, and food delivery people are among them.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> The pizza delivery driver doesn't get any of that delivery charge. When I worked delivery, back in the mid-Triassic period (or early 1990s, whatever), I got $1/delivery (which was better than mileage reimbursement would have been) even though we didn't charge for delivery, and similar practices seemed to be common at other places providing similar services. If the now dominant practice of adding service charges for delivery has been accompanied by eliminating delivery pay to the people providing the service, well, that sucks for drivers, in the same way that it would suck if a restaurant put a "service included" charge on the bill and but paid its service staff the same base (below-minimum-wage) pay that is typical in tipped positions. OTOH, if that dishonest practice factors into my decisions at all, it would factor into my decision not to frequent the business in question, rather than a decision to subsidize the bad practice by paying both an in-the-bill charge for the service and a tip for the service.
- bweitzman 11y ago
  It's illegal for restaurants to pay below minimum wage. If a server's wages including tips do not add up to the regular minimum wage, the restaurant is supposed to pay out the difference. How often that actually happens, I have no idea.

by djur 11y ago

The pizza delivery driver doesn't get any of that delivery charge. Not tipping the driver because of the delivery charge is essentially punishing the driver for the owner's desire to take their tips.

blhack 11y ago

>The pizza delivery driver doesn't get any of that delivery charge. Yes they do, in the form of being paid for mileage (at least I did when I was a delivery driver).

caskance 11y ago

The owner taking their tips is punishing the driver. It's not my responsibility to insulate the driver from that. I am paying a surcharge for delivery. That's reasonable. If the driver doesn't get the cut of that he feels he deserves, he can work somewhere else.

bweitzman 11y ago
This is the problem with tipping culture. It's misleading to advertise a delivery charge and then still expect to customers to tip, and when the driver and the customer are in disagreement or even just unaware of the other's position, it leads to people looking (and maybe feeling) like assholes on both sides.
duderific 11y ago
...said someone who has obviously never worked for tips.
- mpeg 11y ago
  No one is holding a gun to their heads though. I don't like tipping, I do it when I'm in the US because it is a norm but overall it feels like a scam; as I don't get any better service or quality than anywhere else in the world where the wait staff gets a decent wage. I get the feeling lots of tip workers hide behind the argument that they "don't get paid enough" because they simply make more money that way. Meanwhile, kitchen staff generally work harder and longer hours and don't often get their share.
djur 11y ago
By this same argument, you might as well not ever tip. I'd be happy for our society to eliminate tipping and replace it with better wages. But, until that happy day, there are people to whom it is customary to give tips, and food delivery people are among them.

dragonwriter 11y ago

> The pizza delivery driver doesn't get any of that delivery charge. When I worked delivery, back in the mid-Triassic period (or early 1990s, whatever), I got $1/delivery (which was better than mileage reimbursement would have been) even though we didn't charge for delivery, and similar practices seemed to be common at other places providing similar services. If the now dominant practice of adding service charges for delivery has been accompanied by eliminating delivery pay to the people providing the service, well, that sucks for drivers, in the same way that it would suck if a restaurant put a "service included" charge on the bill and but paid its service staff the same base (below-minimum-wage) pay that is typical in tipped positions. OTOH, if that dishonest practice factors into my decisions at all, it would factor into my decision not to frequent the business in question, rather than a decision to subsidize the bad practice by paying both an in-the-bill charge for the service and a tip for the service.

bweitzman 11y ago
It's illegal for restaurants to pay below minimum wage. If a server's wages including tips do not add up to the regular minimum wage, the restaurant is supposed to pay out the difference. How often that actually happens, I have no idea.