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cashiers are getting extincted little by little, supermarkets all have self checkin, macdonalds rlies heavily on it, train systems in many countries have automa

by ousta 11y ago

cashiers are getting extincted little by little, supermarkets all have self checkin, macdonalds rlies heavily on it, train systems in many countries have automated lines, bakers have long been replaced by industrial ovens and breads in EVERY supermarket and they are now low qualified workers helped by electronic ovens who unfreeze breads instead of workers. don't make any mistake as technology evolves it becomes cheaper to replace a low-skill worker by a robot and this trend will likely raise until it is much much much more cheaper to get a robot than a worker (this is probably already cheaper to have all selfcheckin than cashiers but companies are keeping them for social and ethical reason, my thinking being that those ethical bareers tends to get slimmer when cost difference increase)

ekianjo 11y ago
> cashiers are getting extincted little by little, Cashiers are still alive and well in Japan, thank you for asking. > Supermarkets all have self checkin Not everywhere and even where there is i see way more people queuing for the cashier queue than going for self checking but maybe it's different the Californian world or wherever you are living. > ovens and breads in EVERY supermarket I'm obviously talking about local breadshops in cities. they are alive and well, once again, and not going bankrupt. Quality still matters. > train systems in many countries have automated lines Yes, but how many have automated trains ? it's technically possible for a long time yet trains are still driven by people. It's way more simple to automate a train than a car yet it's not happening. Strange, huh ? I'm just making observations based on real life - the world has not massively been robotised since the 90s (it has certainly happened in many manufacturing plants but the "worker"/"human face" is very resilient when it comes to local services).
- scrollaway 11y ago
  You keep making wiiild claims based on "I don't see it happening (as much as you)". Don't you travel? > I'm obviously talking about local breadshops in cities. they are alive and well, once again, and not going bankrupt. Quality still matters. There's less. There's less of all these jobs you mention. You say in another post "but it won't go extinct" - well no, probably not, they'll still exist in some form. Horse carts also exist, but nobody's here saying "Cars have not fully replaced horses". > It's way more simple to automate a train than a car yet it's not happening. Strange, huh ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_train_operation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_train_operation This is in effect all over the place. When I went to Berlin I didn't find a single subway train driver. "It won't happen" is talk from people who didn't want to accept an eventuality a decade ago. Today, it's happening - putting your hands over your eyes is very much unproductive.
  - ekianjo 11y ago
    > This is in effect all over the place. When I went to Berlin I didn't find a single subway train driver. I'm not talking about subways, I am talking about normal intercity trains. NONE of them are automated. Anywhere. Check it out. > "It won't happen" is talk from people who didn't want to accept an eventuality a decade ago. Today, it's happening - putting your hands over your eyes is very much unproductive. I'm not saying this is not happening, what I am saying is that it's happening at a most slower pace than what all the hipsters on HN claim it's happening, and just like everything else, we are going towards fragmentation and not complete removal of most of these jobs. So the "singularity" dream of some people here that the human race will see all of its jobs done by robots in 20 years, and that we need to think right now about income without jobs (UBI and the like) is pure delirium. Society won't change so fast.
    - TeMPOraL 11y ago
      You need to ask yourself exactly why it's not happening. It's not because it isn't possible, or because humans are better at operating trains. There's simply a lot of opposition to such ideas, and a lot of entrenched interests with political power that keep machines at bay - for now.
- ousta 11y ago
  well france has automated subways for years and they don't automate all only because of syndicates. i believe they will automate all when cost decrease
  - ekianjo 11y ago
    Not talking about subways. All TGVs run only with human drivers.

by ousta 11y ago

ekianjo 11y ago

> cashiers are getting extincted little by little, Cashiers are still alive and well in Japan, thank you for asking. > Supermarkets all have self checkin Not everywhere and even where there is i see way more people queuing for the cashier queue than going for self checking but maybe it's different the Californian world or wherever you are living. > ovens and breads in EVERY supermarket I'm obviously talking about local breadshops in cities. they are alive and well, once again, and not going bankrupt. Quality still matters. > train systems in many countries have automated lines Yes, but how many have automated trains ? it's technically possible for a long time yet trains are still driven by people. It's way more simple to automate a train than a car yet it's not happening. Strange, huh ? I'm just making observations based on real life - the world has not massively been robotised since the 90s (it has certainly happened in many manufacturing plants but the "worker"/"human face" is very resilient when it comes to local services).

scrollaway 11y ago
You keep making wiiild claims based on "I don't see it happening (as much as you)". Don't you travel? > I'm obviously talking about local breadshops in cities. they are alive and well, once again, and not going bankrupt. Quality still matters. There's less. There's less of all these jobs you mention. You say in another post "but it won't go extinct" - well no, probably not, they'll still exist in some form. Horse carts also exist, but nobody's here saying "Cars have not fully replaced horses". > It's way more simple to automate a train than a car yet it's not happening. Strange, huh ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_train_operation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_train_operation This is in effect all over the place. When I went to Berlin I didn't find a single subway train driver. "It won't happen" is talk from people who didn't want to accept an eventuality a decade ago. Today, it's happening - putting your hands over your eyes is very much unproductive.
- ekianjo 11y ago
  > This is in effect all over the place. When I went to Berlin I didn't find a single subway train driver. I'm not talking about subways, I am talking about normal intercity trains. NONE of them are automated. Anywhere. Check it out. > "It won't happen" is talk from people who didn't want to accept an eventuality a decade ago. Today, it's happening - putting your hands over your eyes is very much unproductive. I'm not saying this is not happening, what I am saying is that it's happening at a most slower pace than what all the hipsters on HN claim it's happening, and just like everything else, we are going towards fragmentation and not complete removal of most of these jobs. So the "singularity" dream of some people here that the human race will see all of its jobs done by robots in 20 years, and that we need to think right now about income without jobs (UBI and the like) is pure delirium. Society won't change so fast.
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    You need to ask yourself exactly why it's not happening. It's not because it isn't possible, or because humans are better at operating trains. There's simply a lot of opposition to such ideas, and a lot of entrenched interests with political power that keep machines at bay - for now.
ousta 11y ago
well france has automated subways for years and they don't automate all only because of syndicates. i believe they will automate all when cost decrease
- ekianjo 11y ago
  Not talking about subways. All TGVs run only with human drivers.