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"We build jails for people we're afraid of, and fill them with people we're mad at

derefr 11y ago
We put the people we're genuinely afraid of in extralegal holding facilities instead. (Though we're not scared of what they'd do, mind you; usually it's what they'd say that's the problem. Non-allied parties who know classified information they shouldn't are effectively infohazards from a government's perspective.)
- justin_vanw 11y ago
  Oh my, that is quite scary, but I'm sure you have no examples.
  - pjc50 11y ago
    He was talking about Guantanamo, presumably ("extralegal holding facility")
    - Lawtonfogle 11y ago
      Also involuntary commitment facilities. While there is some truly deranged people out there, psychology has a long history of being abused to remove individuals by giving them false labels of mental disorders (or otherwise vastly overstating any disorders the person does have).
    - hobs 11y ago
      I honestly question if GP is being sarcastic because this is a thing acknowledged by the US government, they wont even release some prisoners from gitmo that they acknowledge are innocent of crimes. And dont forget CIA blacksites! http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-poland-cia-blacksite-20150510-story.html http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-poland-cia-blacksi... Bush admits to secret prisons(wikipedia sources are your friend): http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5321606.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5321606.stm http://web.archive.org/web/20060906193917/http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/06/bush.speech/index.html http://web.archive.org/web/20060906193917/http://www.cnn.com...
      - justin_vanw 11y ago
        We do have prisons where we keep people without trial. We don't, as far as I know, have entire prisons where we hold people without trial because they 'know secrets' and we are afraid they might tell them. In fact, I don't know of a single instance of this, outside of people who agreed to keep some secret but then changed their mind (snowden).
        hobs 11y ago
        Fair, but I dont think anyone made that claim.
        justin_vanw 11y ago
        But that's EXACTLY what they said??? >>Though we're not scared of what they'd do, mind you; usually it's what they'd say that's the problem. Non-allied parties who know classified information they shouldn't are effectively infohazards from a government's perspective.

We put the people we're genuinely afraid of in extralegal holding facilities instead. (Though we're not scared of what they'd do, mind you; usually it's what they'd say that's the problem. Non-allied parties who know classified information they shouldn't are effectively infohazards from a government's perspective.)

justin_vanw 11y ago
Oh my, that is quite scary, but I'm sure you have no examples.
- pjc50 11y ago
  He was talking about Guantanamo, presumably ("extralegal holding facility")
  - Lawtonfogle 11y ago
    Also involuntary commitment facilities. While there is some truly deranged people out there, psychology has a long history of being abused to remove individuals by giving them false labels of mental disorders (or otherwise vastly overstating any disorders the person does have).
  - hobs 11y ago
    I honestly question if GP is being sarcastic because this is a thing acknowledged by the US government, they wont even release some prisoners from gitmo that they acknowledge are innocent of crimes. And dont forget CIA blacksites! http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-poland-cia-blacksite-20150510-story.html http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-poland-cia-blacksi... Bush admits to secret prisons(wikipedia sources are your friend): http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5321606.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5321606.stm http://web.archive.org/web/20060906193917/http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/06/bush.speech/index.html http://web.archive.org/web/20060906193917/http://www.cnn.com...
    - justin_vanw 11y ago
      We do have prisons where we keep people without trial. We don't, as far as I know, have entire prisons where we hold people without trial because they 'know secrets' and we are afraid they might tell them. In fact, I don't know of a single instance of this, outside of people who agreed to keep some secret but then changed their mind (snowden).
      - hobs 11y ago
        Fair, but I dont think anyone made that claim.
        justin_vanw 11y ago
        But that's EXACTLY what they said??? >>Though we're not scared of what they'd do, mind you; usually it's what they'd say that's the problem. Non-allied parties who know classified information they shouldn't are effectively infohazards from a government's perspective.