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I love Vagrant. At this point, every repo I contribute to has a Vagrantfile. I've turned dozens of coworkers onto Vagrant. That said, I am not a fan of the full

by thejerz 11y ago

I love Vagrant. At this point, every repo I contribute to has a Vagrantfile. I've turned dozens of coworkers onto Vagrant. That said, I am not a fan of the full Hashicorp ecosystem. Reading through the Otto site, and comments on HN, my first reaction is that my favorite tool has been selected for planned obsolescence.

notacoward 11y ago
I had sort of the same reaction. I just learned a bit of Vagrant recently. I needed something to set up a simple three-node environment for a tutorial I'm doing, and the best starting point happened to be a Vagrant project. It worked well enough that I've been thinking of other uses for it, especially as a basis for automated tests on the distributed system I work on (our current infra for that frankly sucks). Then I read this, and it doesn't look like it's a Vagrant successor in any way that's useful to me. I don't want it to try and figure out service dependencies for me, because I can absolutely guarantee that it's unable to do that for the component I care about. I don't want it fiddling with DNS. I think using the same description but different commands for dev vs. production is a terrible idea. They say Otto does application-level instead of machine-level configuration, but machine-level is what I want. They say multi-VM is too heavyweight but that's also what I want. It's opinionated in all the wrong ways. Everything in https://ottoproject.io/intro/vagrant-successor.html https://ottoproject.io/intro/vagrant-successor.html makes it clear that Otto is fundamentally different from Vagrant, which totally belies their claim (at the end) that it will replace Vagrant in any significant way. They should just come right out and say that they've created something different on top of Vagrant. Maybe it's cool, but it's not a successor. This brand hijacking just makes them seem fickle or shifty. Now I think I'll just leave Vagrant behind while my investment in it is still small, and learn one of the bazillion other tools that I could use to accomplish the same thing.
bluehawk 11y ago
Otto uses Vagrant under the hood. Vagrant isn't going anywhere as far as I can tell.

by thejerz 11y ago

notacoward 11y ago

I had sort of the same reaction. I just learned a bit of Vagrant recently. I needed something to set up a simple three-node environment for a tutorial I'm doing, and the best starting point happened to be a Vagrant project. It worked well enough that I've been thinking of other uses for it, especially as a basis for automated tests on the distributed system I work on (our current infra for that frankly sucks). Then I read this, and it doesn't look like it's a Vagrant successor in any way that's useful to me. I don't want it to try and figure out service dependencies for me, because I can absolutely guarantee that it's unable to do that for the component I care about. I don't want it fiddling with DNS. I think using the same description but different commands for dev vs. production is a terrible idea. They say Otto does application-level instead of machine-level configuration, but machine-level is what I want. They say multi-VM is too heavyweight but that's also what I want. It's opinionated in all the wrong ways. Everything in https://ottoproject.io/intro/vagrant-successor.html https://ottoproject.io/intro/vagrant-successor.html makes it clear that Otto is fundamentally different from Vagrant, which totally belies their claim (at the end) that it will replace Vagrant in any significant way. They should just come right out and say that they've created something different on top of Vagrant. Maybe it's cool, but it's not a successor. This brand hijacking just makes them seem fickle or shifty. Now I think I'll just leave Vagrant behind while my investment in it is still small, and learn one of the bazillion other tools that I could use to accomplish the same thing.

bluehawk 11y ago

Otto uses Vagrant under the hood. Vagrant isn't going anywhere as far as I can tell.