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I've noticed this same pattern with other founders, notably Dennis Crowley with Dodgeball (location-based social network founded in 2000, sold to Google in 2005

by byoung2 11y ago

I've noticed this same pattern with other founders, notably Dennis Crowley with Dodgeball (location-based social network founded in 2000, sold to Google in 2005) and Foursquare (location based social network with different branding).

temuze 11y ago
It's not that surprising if you think about it. Some companies end too early because the technology or capital wasn't there to let it get to its full potential. Also, those founders tend to be the people who understand the space the best because they're the ones with the most experience.
seiji 11y ago
Happens with Cisco all the time too. Cisco acquires startup Y, founders vest for 4 years, founders leave Cisco and create Y+1, Cisco acquires Y+1, .... It helps to get re-acquired once you have all the existing connections and the acquiring company knows you're not snake oil and aren't screwing them over. There have been multiple Google->Startup->Google loops as well, but many of those are an acquihire-as-safety-net when the too hyped startup by too eager employees falls flat on its face.
DannoHung 11y ago
To be fair to him, Google drove Dodgeball straight into the ground. To be mean to him: Deciding to split Foursquare into Yelp-lite and a shitty social network was a terrible, terrible idea.
- austenallred 11y ago
  Google also drove Blogger straight into the ground (though more slowly)
  - CuttlefishXXX 11y ago
    The absolutely worst two things which happened to Blogger during the last few years are, IMO: 1. What I percieve to be excessive use of JS. You can't even load a blog post there (well, at least, couldn't last time I visited a dot-blogspot site) without an on-page spinner and a bunch of stuff apparently happening in the background. 2. The tld-redirect crap. Admitedly, I had actually thought a similar mechanism to be benefitial prior to seeing an actual implementation of it but I mean, come on, does this not annoy others? What's the advantage of that anyway? Google is capable of geographical load balancing with IP addresses alone just fine, what's the deal? Disclaimer: These are my end-user reactions. I have never operated at the scale Blogger does so there may be reasons I am not aware of.
    - kemitche 11y ago
      What I hated about blogger was that for a "group" blog (say, the reddit blog, where different admins might post), any images added to the post get shown from the poster's google account (somehow). Which means if someone leaves the group, the images get hosed.
    - marktolson 11y ago
      I wouldn't say excessive use of JS was the problem. JS provides the foundations to tons of extremely fast websites and should (in most cases) assist with improving performance. I'd blame the overall implementation / design which led to scaling and performance issues.
    - xerophyte12932 11y ago
      Exactly. Blogs are mostly text sites and one would expect such to open at rapid speeds. That's one of the things I like about Svbtle, they load the blog as one single request/response with all the text, styles, JS(barely noticeable) inline making for very rapid load times
- snug 11y ago
  Am I the only one that likes the swam/foursquare split? For me at least, I think it's much easier to keep track of places you've gone with your own reviews with swarm. And foursquare for finding new places you would want to go. I'm sure they could have built it in such a way that would only need one app, though I can't complain too much about the split.

by byoung2 11y ago

temuze 11y ago

It's not that surprising if you think about it. Some companies end too early because the technology or capital wasn't there to let it get to its full potential. Also, those founders tend to be the people who understand the space the best because they're the ones with the most experience.

seiji 11y ago

Happens with Cisco all the time too. Cisco acquires startup Y, founders vest for 4 years, founders leave Cisco and create Y+1, Cisco acquires Y+1, .... It helps to get re-acquired once you have all the existing connections and the acquiring company knows you're not snake oil and aren't screwing them over. There have been multiple Google->Startup->Google loops as well, but many of those are an acquihire-as-safety-net when the too hyped startup by too eager employees falls flat on its face.

DannoHung 11y ago

To be fair to him, Google drove Dodgeball straight into the ground. To be mean to him: Deciding to split Foursquare into Yelp-lite and a shitty social network was a terrible, terrible idea.

austenallred 11y ago
Google also drove Blogger straight into the ground (though more slowly)
- CuttlefishXXX 11y ago
  The absolutely worst two things which happened to Blogger during the last few years are, IMO: 1. What I percieve to be excessive use of JS. You can't even load a blog post there (well, at least, couldn't last time I visited a dot-blogspot site) without an on-page spinner and a bunch of stuff apparently happening in the background. 2. The tld-redirect crap. Admitedly, I had actually thought a similar mechanism to be benefitial prior to seeing an actual implementation of it but I mean, come on, does this not annoy others? What's the advantage of that anyway? Google is capable of geographical load balancing with IP addresses alone just fine, what's the deal? Disclaimer: These are my end-user reactions. I have never operated at the scale Blogger does so there may be reasons I am not aware of.
  - kemitche 11y ago
    What I hated about blogger was that for a "group" blog (say, the reddit blog, where different admins might post), any images added to the post get shown from the poster's google account (somehow). Which means if someone leaves the group, the images get hosed.
  - marktolson 11y ago
    I wouldn't say excessive use of JS was the problem. JS provides the foundations to tons of extremely fast websites and should (in most cases) assist with improving performance. I'd blame the overall implementation / design which led to scaling and performance issues.
  - xerophyte12932 11y ago
    Exactly. Blogs are mostly text sites and one would expect such to open at rapid speeds. That's one of the things I like about Svbtle, they load the blog as one single request/response with all the text, styles, JS(barely noticeable) inline making for very rapid load times
snug 11y ago
Am I the only one that likes the swam/foursquare split? For me at least, I think it's much easier to keep track of places you've gone with your own reviews with swarm. And foursquare for finding new places you would want to go. I'm sure they could have built it in such a way that would only need one app, though I can't complain too much about the split.