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Should restaurants respect the wishes of people who want to eat without paying? If they kick them out they might leave a bad Yelp review.

aleh 11y ago
Absolutely. Even if particular restaurant provides food for free it is still a subject for regulations e.g. concerning health and fire safety.
Retra 11y ago
You don't get unilateral power to trade free services for arbitrary obligations. If you have a restaurant where you've decided to list all your menu items at zero cost, that doesn't automatically grant you the power to kick people out because they refuse to eat off the floor. Your customers must first explicitly agree to such a thing before you should be able to enforce it. You don't get to make all the decisions for both parties. That's obviously exploitative.
- hsod 11y ago
  > If you have a restaurant where you've decided to list all your menu items at zero cost, that doesn't automatically grant you the power to kick people out because they refuse to eat off the floor. Why not? Kicking someone out of your restaurant is exactly what you should do if you can't come to an agreement.
  - Retra 11y ago
    There is no agreement. That's my point. People serving websites with advertising are doing so under a bargain that users have never actually agreed to: that they are exchanging free content for advertising views. But the website makes an agreement with advertisers, not with the public. So in our restaurant analogy, it would be like if you had an agreement with your food supplier that they will provide you with cheap food if you make customers eat it off the floor, and now you're complaining that customers are not fulfilling their end of this deal. The customers don't have a deal with you. You just offer them free food, and they are taking it and trying not to eat off the floor. It's not their fault you offer free food. Don't do that.
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    - hsod 11y ago
      The agreement with the food supplier is irrelevant. If a customer walks into your free-food restaurant and finds the conditions unsuitable to them, they should leave. If they refuse, you should kick them out.
      - Retra 11y ago
        Then do it. Kick everyone off your website if they use ad blockers.
        hsod 11y ago
        You just said I (the restaurant owner) don't have the power to!

aleh 11y ago

Absolutely. Even if particular restaurant provides food for free it is still a subject for regulations e.g. concerning health and fire safety.

Retra 11y ago

You don't get unilateral power to trade free services for arbitrary obligations. If you have a restaurant where you've decided to list all your menu items at zero cost, that doesn't automatically grant you the power to kick people out because they refuse to eat off the floor. Your customers must first explicitly agree to such a thing before you should be able to enforce it. You don't get to make all the decisions for both parties. That's obviously exploitative.

hsod 11y ago
> If you have a restaurant where you've decided to list all your menu items at zero cost, that doesn't automatically grant you the power to kick people out because they refuse to eat off the floor. Why not? Kicking someone out of your restaurant is exactly what you should do if you can't come to an agreement.
- Retra 11y ago
  There is no agreement. That's my point. People serving websites with advertising are doing so under a bargain that users have never actually agreed to: that they are exchanging free content for advertising views. But the website makes an agreement with advertisers, not with the public. So in our restaurant analogy, it would be like if you had an agreement with your food supplier that they will provide you with cheap food if you make customers eat it off the floor, and now you're complaining that customers are not fulfilling their end of this deal. The customers don't have a deal with you. You just offer them free food, and they are taking it and trying not to eat off the floor. It's not their fault you offer free food. Don't do that.
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  - hsod 11y ago
    The agreement with the food supplier is irrelevant. If a customer walks into your free-food restaurant and finds the conditions unsuitable to them, they should leave. If they refuse, you should kick them out.
    - Retra 11y ago
      Then do it. Kick everyone off your website if they use ad blockers.
      - hsod 11y ago
        You just said I (the restaurant owner) don't have the power to!