> I struggle to believe that C or C++ can be written safely There's plenty of evidence it can, for certain values of "program". redis comes to mind as a produc

> I struggle to believe that C or C++ can be written safely There's plenty of evidence it can, for certain values of "program". redis comes to mind as a product with a specific goal and implementation, and well managed design process that makes that happen. The problem is when projects grow to have dozens of developers, of varying skill, pumping in features in a continual battle to stay up to date with standards - like a web browser. Then, I think the possibility of secure C is shown to approach 0.