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"Originallity is something for us people who believe that finding the "real you" etc is worth it to worry about." Worth worrying about? Nothing is worth worryi

"Originallity is something for us people who believe that finding the "real you" etc is worth it to worry about." Worth worrying about? Nothing is worth worrying about. I think we both agree that it's good to have an open mind, but we disagree on the importance of originality. I don't care if an idea is mine or yours or anyone else's, I don't care if it's the first time anyone has thought about it or whether it has been thought of a million times before, the only question for me is is the idea satisfying, is it an idea I enjoy. There's a difference between a compelling idea and the source of that idea. If I've come up with compelling ideas before I don't see that as 'me' or part of me. Genius can come from anywhere and from anyone, it's not a measure of your worth as a human being. The best you can do to encourage it is to be open to it, to prepare yourself for ideas that are new to you.

coldtea 11y ago
>Worth worrying about? Nothing is worth worrying about. If we start from that premise, death, life being meaningless etc, maybe. But in that case replying to my comment is not worth it either, and me replying to yours even more so. So clearly we either take this conversation as people who think there is stuff worth worrying about, or we don't have it at all, and go either have fun or kill ourselves. >the only question for me is is the idea satisfying, is it an idea I enjoy. Would you be OK to be confined for the rest on your life in a hospital bed, being fed a drug that would make you enjoy your every moment tremendously? From your perspective you'd be totally happy. You might not enjoy some part of the idea now, but you'd totally enjoy it when given that drug. Would you go with that? If not, then you agree with me that enjoyment is not the be all end all in life, so whether an idea is "satisfying" is not "the only question". >There's a difference between a compelling idea and the source of that idea. If I've come up with compelling ideas before I don't see that as 'me' or part of me. Genius can come from anywhere and from anyone, it's not a measure of your worth as a human being. Again, I'm not talking about original as in "unique"/genius or whatever, but in original as in "autentic" (yours). The distinction between taking your own decisions or merely and with little resistance and pause following fashion or what your father told you or what the official at the church of scientology or the cool kid at school told you to do...
- ZenoArrow 11y ago
  "If we start from that premise, death, life being meaningless etc, maybe." I believe life is what you make it, the value you get from it is directly related to what you put into it. So in some sense, life can be meaningless if you choose to make it so, and life can be meaningful if you choose to make it so. Some people don't like that view, which is fine, variety is the spice of life. "But in that case replying to my comment is not worth it either, and me replying to yours even more so." I'm not debating with you because I'm worried, I'm debating because it's fun. "So clearly we either take this conversation as people who think there is stuff worth worrying about, or we don't have it at all, and go either have fun or kill ourselves." So the alternatives to worry are to either have fun or kill yourself? I think you're a little confused about what self-reflection is, self-reflection and worry are not the same thing. For example, it's possible to self-reflect and laugh at the absurdity of your own views, it's possible to self-reflect without passing strong judgement, etc... . "Would you be OK to be confined for the rest on your life in a hospital bed, being fed a drug that would make you enjoy your every moment tremendously? From your perspective you'd be totally happy. You might not enjoy some part of the idea now, but you'd totally enjoy it when given that drug. Would you go with that? If not, then you agree with me that enjoyment is not the be all end all in life, so whether an idea is "satisfying" is not "the only question"." I find it interesting that you mix satisfaction with falsehood. However, if you change the question to... Would you want to live a life where you regularly encountered moments that were genuinely satisfying/fascinating, then the answer would be yes, I would want that, I believe that'd be fun. "Again, I'm not talking about original as in "unique"/genius or whatever, but in original as in "autentic" (yours). The distinction between taking your own decisions or merely and with little resistance and pause following fashion or what your father told you or what the official at the church of scientology or the cool kid at school told you to do..." Let me put it to you like this, can an idea that started from someone else be just as good for you as one that started from you?

coldtea 11y ago

>Worth worrying about? Nothing is worth worrying about. If we start from that premise, death, life being meaningless etc, maybe. But in that case replying to my comment is not worth it either, and me replying to yours even more so. So clearly we either take this conversation as people who think there is stuff worth worrying about, or we don't have it at all, and go either have fun or kill ourselves. >the only question for me is is the idea satisfying, is it an idea I enjoy. Would you be OK to be confined for the rest on your life in a hospital bed, being fed a drug that would make you enjoy your every moment tremendously? From your perspective you'd be totally happy. You might not enjoy some part of the idea now, but you'd totally enjoy it when given that drug. Would you go with that? If not, then you agree with me that enjoyment is not the be all end all in life, so whether an idea is "satisfying" is not "the only question". >There's a difference between a compelling idea and the source of that idea. If I've come up with compelling ideas before I don't see that as 'me' or part of me. Genius can come from anywhere and from anyone, it's not a measure of your worth as a human being. Again, I'm not talking about original as in "unique"/genius or whatever, but in original as in "autentic" (yours). The distinction between taking your own decisions or merely and with little resistance and pause following fashion or what your father told you or what the official at the church of scientology or the cool kid at school told you to do...

ZenoArrow 11y ago
"If we start from that premise, death, life being meaningless etc, maybe." I believe life is what you make it, the value you get from it is directly related to what you put into it. So in some sense, life can be meaningless if you choose to make it so, and life can be meaningful if you choose to make it so. Some people don't like that view, which is fine, variety is the spice of life. "But in that case replying to my comment is not worth it either, and me replying to yours even more so." I'm not debating with you because I'm worried, I'm debating because it's fun. "So clearly we either take this conversation as people who think there is stuff worth worrying about, or we don't have it at all, and go either have fun or kill ourselves." So the alternatives to worry are to either have fun or kill yourself? I think you're a little confused about what self-reflection is, self-reflection and worry are not the same thing. For example, it's possible to self-reflect and laugh at the absurdity of your own views, it's possible to self-reflect without passing strong judgement, etc... . "Would you be OK to be confined for the rest on your life in a hospital bed, being fed a drug that would make you enjoy your every moment tremendously? From your perspective you'd be totally happy. You might not enjoy some part of the idea now, but you'd totally enjoy it when given that drug. Would you go with that? If not, then you agree with me that enjoyment is not the be all end all in life, so whether an idea is "satisfying" is not "the only question"." I find it interesting that you mix satisfaction with falsehood. However, if you change the question to... Would you want to live a life where you regularly encountered moments that were genuinely satisfying/fascinating, then the answer would be yes, I would want that, I believe that'd be fun. "Again, I'm not talking about original as in "unique"/genius or whatever, but in original as in "autentic" (yours). The distinction between taking your own decisions or merely and with little resistance and pause following fashion or what your father told you or what the official at the church of scientology or the cool kid at school told you to do..." Let me put it to you like this, can an idea that started from someone else be just as good for you as one that started from you?