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> If the pay cut isn't too large, this could still work out to a net increase in real income, just because the cost of living in Nashville is about half of San

by rodgerd 11y ago

> If the pay cut isn't too large, this could still work out to a net increase in real income, just because the cost of living in Nashville is about half of San Francisco. So long as you don't mind being stranded there.

simoncion 11y ago
Nashville is one of the few Real Cities(TM) in the Southeast. If I were forced to go back, my top three places to land would be: * Nashville, TN * Atlanta, GA (Assuming that I still possess enough of my tech "fortune" to purchase a place inside city limits.) * Chattanooga, TN (For EPB internet and what appears to be sensible city stewardship, obviously.)
- wavefunction 11y ago
  Maybe the parent means that someone working a support job in SF might want to think long and hard about moving across the country where they presumably know noone and have no social support network or other potential employers if their job with Lyft goes away.
  - fencepost 11y ago
    But consider also how many of those (barely getting by?) working customer support in SF are actually locals and how many moved to the area to get into tech. Their social support network in the area may be pretty thin.
    - wavefunction 11y ago
      People moving to SF specifically for support jobs? That sounds very unlikely to me. Support jobs in a region are filled by locals with limited employment options or by non-locals who have other reasons for moving to that region and just need a job, in my experience.
      - fencepost 11y ago
        Perhaps not specifically for support jobs, but for opportunities to join startups in whatever positions they can.
- eitally 11y ago
  Maybe it's not far enough south to be considered Real(TM), but I think you conspicuously omitted Raleigh (the overall Triangle area that includes Durham & Chapel Hill, too).
  - simoncion 11y ago
    I've actually never been in NC, [0] and also don't know anyone from anywhere in the state, so I have no idea what it's like. Do you have either personal or second-hand knowledge of the area? [0] Not even to pass through on the periodic AL<->PA trips I used to take!
    - brianbreslin 11y ago
      Nvidia and a few other tech companies used to have big teams in that region (raleigh/durham/chapel hill). Lots of biotech in the area, cheap cost of living (relative), tons of colleges, moderate climate. Not a bad place, but a bit slow/small-towny for my taste.
      - santaclaus 11y ago
        Red Hat is headquartered in Raleigh (founded in Durham I think), and Cisco and IBM have big triangle presences too. Epic (of Unreal Engine fame) and SAS are based in Cary.
    - JBlue42 11y ago
      I do. Born elsewhere in NC and, went to college in Chapel Hill, and have lived and worked in the area for a bit after. Chapel Hill/Carrboro are nice, well-to-do college towns, Durham isn't too far down the road and the downtown (like many in the country) is experiencing a resurgence, Raleigh is the 'big' city in the area but I haven't really had a reason to do much there. Outside of downtown, it seems pretty surburban with people commuting in and out on the ring roads. Cary is very paint-by-numbers suburban with the tech companies already mentioned plus a lot of people from out of state (jokingly called "Containment Area for Relocated Yankees" by some). You're 3-4 hrs from the Appalachians 2.5-3+ from the beach (depending on where you're headed) and have pretty good connections at RDU, which is a relatively pleasant airport. I-95 will connect you up and down the eastern seaboard (about 4 hrs to DC, 4 hrs to Charleston, etc).
- uptownJimmy 11y ago
  Are you me? Also, Charlotte. It's like Atlanta, but better/smaller/in the foothills of NC. So like Atlanta, but better.
- vinceguidry 11y ago
  Atlanta's still pretty cheap. You can live pretty much anywhere you want with an $85K+ salary, which isn't hard to get no matter your specialty. As far as large cities go, I'd call Atlanta a bargain.
- Xcelerate 11y ago
  Haha, as someone who would prefer to live on the west coast for getting my career started (but ultimately wants to settle down in the South since family is nearby), those cities are my top choices as well. I'm currently in Knoxville finishing up grad school, but I've been scouting out possible technology-oriented cities in the South (unfortunately, there aren't many). I toured Chattanooga the other day. It's a cute town, but it felt kind of small and somewhat empty to me. I lived in Atlanta for 4 years during my undergrad. Despite being only 30 minutes away from my immediate family, Atlanta is one of my least favorite cities in the US. Too much crime, too little ambition (at least compared to SF and NY), horrible traffic, and not much "living" going on within the city. Everyone basically commutes into it from the suburbs for work and then drives back out in the evening. If you wander around SF, you see all kinds of people out and about. In Atlanta, everyone's cooped up inside; the sidewalks are mostly empty. Raleigh, Cary, and Charlotte are nice, but they're a little too suburban/vanilla for my taste. Nashville is quickly becoming my top choice (if I'm unable to live in San Francisco or Austin, TX). I have some family there, and I recently read that it's one of the fastest growing cities for 25-30 year olds interesting in technology. So, I don't know... as someone who's lived here almost all my life, I just wish the South had at least one big city that was world class in something.
dynofuz 11y ago
No state / municipal income tax in nashville probably and much cheaper cost of living probably means that the actual relative wealth of those employees will increase tremendously. I'd love to see a tech hub grow in the southeast. Having lived in the bay area and in TN, it's definitely not a feeling of being stranded. There's a lot of outdoorsy activities (caving was my personal favorite), though the city life ist as great.
- brianbreslin 11y ago
  I think being stranded meant, there are no other jobs in the sector to be had.
  - hga 11y ago
    I can't imagine that being true for the Nashville area, unless it's being out-competed by even cheaper areas like I assume mine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joplin-Miami,_MO-OK_metropolitan_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joplin-Miami,_MO-OK_metropolit... I assume our cost of living is even lower). Of course there's also the issue of do you want to stay in the customer support sector if you can possibly help it!
    - brianbreslin 11y ago
      I think the OP probably assumed there were fewer tech company opportunities in the area.
ennuihenry 11y ago
Eventbrite in the last year or so has opened an office in Nashville and has around 100 employees there, mostly in Customer Support and Engineering.

by rodgerd 11y ago

simoncion 11y ago

Nashville is one of the few Real Cities(TM) in the Southeast. If I were forced to go back, my top three places to land would be: * Nashville, TN * Atlanta, GA (Assuming that I still possess enough of my tech "fortune" to purchase a place inside city limits.) * Chattanooga, TN (For EPB internet and what appears to be sensible city stewardship, obviously.)

wavefunction 11y ago
Maybe the parent means that someone working a support job in SF might want to think long and hard about moving across the country where they presumably know noone and have no social support network or other potential employers if their job with Lyft goes away.
- fencepost 11y ago
  But consider also how many of those (barely getting by?) working customer support in SF are actually locals and how many moved to the area to get into tech. Their social support network in the area may be pretty thin.
  - wavefunction 11y ago
    People moving to SF specifically for support jobs? That sounds very unlikely to me. Support jobs in a region are filled by locals with limited employment options or by non-locals who have other reasons for moving to that region and just need a job, in my experience.
    - fencepost 11y ago
      Perhaps not specifically for support jobs, but for opportunities to join startups in whatever positions they can.
eitally 11y ago
Maybe it's not far enough south to be considered Real(TM), but I think you conspicuously omitted Raleigh (the overall Triangle area that includes Durham & Chapel Hill, too).
- simoncion 11y ago
  I've actually never been in NC, [0] and also don't know anyone from anywhere in the state, so I have no idea what it's like. Do you have either personal or second-hand knowledge of the area? [0] Not even to pass through on the periodic AL<->PA trips I used to take!
  - brianbreslin 11y ago
    Nvidia and a few other tech companies used to have big teams in that region (raleigh/durham/chapel hill). Lots of biotech in the area, cheap cost of living (relative), tons of colleges, moderate climate. Not a bad place, but a bit slow/small-towny for my taste.
    - santaclaus 11y ago
      Red Hat is headquartered in Raleigh (founded in Durham I think), and Cisco and IBM have big triangle presences too. Epic (of Unreal Engine fame) and SAS are based in Cary.
  - JBlue42 11y ago
    I do. Born elsewhere in NC and, went to college in Chapel Hill, and have lived and worked in the area for a bit after. Chapel Hill/Carrboro are nice, well-to-do college towns, Durham isn't too far down the road and the downtown (like many in the country) is experiencing a resurgence, Raleigh is the 'big' city in the area but I haven't really had a reason to do much there. Outside of downtown, it seems pretty surburban with people commuting in and out on the ring roads. Cary is very paint-by-numbers suburban with the tech companies already mentioned plus a lot of people from out of state (jokingly called "Containment Area for Relocated Yankees" by some). You're 3-4 hrs from the Appalachians 2.5-3+ from the beach (depending on where you're headed) and have pretty good connections at RDU, which is a relatively pleasant airport. I-95 will connect you up and down the eastern seaboard (about 4 hrs to DC, 4 hrs to Charleston, etc).
uptownJimmy 11y ago
Are you me? Also, Charlotte. It's like Atlanta, but better/smaller/in the foothills of NC. So like Atlanta, but better.
vinceguidry 11y ago
Atlanta's still pretty cheap. You can live pretty much anywhere you want with an $85K+ salary, which isn't hard to get no matter your specialty. As far as large cities go, I'd call Atlanta a bargain.
Xcelerate 11y ago
Haha, as someone who would prefer to live on the west coast for getting my career started (but ultimately wants to settle down in the South since family is nearby), those cities are my top choices as well. I'm currently in Knoxville finishing up grad school, but I've been scouting out possible technology-oriented cities in the South (unfortunately, there aren't many). I toured Chattanooga the other day. It's a cute town, but it felt kind of small and somewhat empty to me. I lived in Atlanta for 4 years during my undergrad. Despite being only 30 minutes away from my immediate family, Atlanta is one of my least favorite cities in the US. Too much crime, too little ambition (at least compared to SF and NY), horrible traffic, and not much "living" going on within the city. Everyone basically commutes into it from the suburbs for work and then drives back out in the evening. If you wander around SF, you see all kinds of people out and about. In Atlanta, everyone's cooped up inside; the sidewalks are mostly empty. Raleigh, Cary, and Charlotte are nice, but they're a little too suburban/vanilla for my taste. Nashville is quickly becoming my top choice (if I'm unable to live in San Francisco or Austin, TX). I have some family there, and I recently read that it's one of the fastest growing cities for 25-30 year olds interesting in technology. So, I don't know... as someone who's lived here almost all my life, I just wish the South had at least one big city that was world class in something.

dynofuz 11y ago

No state / municipal income tax in nashville probably and much cheaper cost of living probably means that the actual relative wealth of those employees will increase tremendously. I'd love to see a tech hub grow in the southeast. Having lived in the bay area and in TN, it's definitely not a feeling of being stranded. There's a lot of outdoorsy activities (caving was my personal favorite), though the city life ist as great.

brianbreslin 11y ago
I think being stranded meant, there are no other jobs in the sector to be had.
- hga 11y ago
  I can't imagine that being true for the Nashville area, unless it's being out-competed by even cheaper areas like I assume mine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joplin-Miami,_MO-OK_metropolitan_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joplin-Miami,_MO-OK_metropolit... I assume our cost of living is even lower). Of course there's also the issue of do you want to stay in the customer support sector if you can possibly help it!
  - brianbreslin 11y ago
    I think the OP probably assumed there were fewer tech company opportunities in the area.

ennuihenry 11y ago

Eventbrite in the last year or so has opened an office in Nashville and has around 100 employees there, mostly in Customer Support and Engineering.