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Researcher here, you got it right on your last paragraph. For instance this is the European Cycle that is tested: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons
by JorgeGT 11y ago
Researcher here, you got it right on your last paragraph. For instance this is the European Cycle that is tested: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/New_European_Driving_Cycle.svg/640px-New_European_Driving_Cycle.svg.png?1443308629041 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Ne... As you can see it is very well defined. Other tricks that are rumored are very simple: you can see the cycle last 20 min. Just instruct the controller (ECU) to change the parameters only after 20 mins of powered state.
In any case, you must know that all those practices were very well known by United States regulators, the term "defeat device" for instance appears in regulation since at least 2007: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2007-02-26/pdf/E7-2667.pdf#page=134 http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2007-02-26/pdf/E7-2667.pdf#p...
§ 86.1809–10 Prohibition of defeat devices.
(a) No new light-duty vehicle, lightduty
truck, medium-duty passenger
vehicle, or complete heavy-duty vehicle
shall be equipped with a defeat device.
(b) The Administrator may test or
require testing on any vehicle at a
designated location, using driving
cycles and conditions that may
reasonably be expected to be
encountered in normal operation and
use, for the purposes of investigating a
potential defeat device
As you can see it was known that a) defeat devices existed and b) the way to catch them was to try different, random cycles more close to real conditions. The question is, if this was a well known problem and they knew the way to test their existence (and given there were millions of cars on the street with these systems), why start the big scandal precisely now?
By the way, apart from more random, realistic cycles, upcoming European regulation introduces driving tests where the exhaust gases will be collected and compared with the lab test, and only a certain % difference will be permitted.
- UnoriginalGuy 11y ago> The question is, if this was a well known problem and they knew the way to test their existence (and given there were millions of cars on the street with these systems), why start the big scandal precisely now? From what I understand the scandal was started after Europe funded research at an American university (since they were developing systems to measure emissions during normal driving that didn't rely on the car's computer output). The results were published a few years ago, which got reported to the US and European authorities, and it is big news right now simply because the fine/punishment phase is in motion (nobody cares about dry research results). Up until recently (last three-ish years) the technology to measure emissions from the tailpipe during driving weren't readily available. They trusted the computer.
- tmuir 11y agoI wonder if any hedge funds cashed in on last weeks 30% drop in VW stock as a result of this information being available for the last year and a half.
- nvusuvu 11y agoI was wondering how to take advantage of situations like this that arise in the future. Be mindful of college level research of corporations.