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No contortion of logic allows you to escape the fact that Airbnb has vastly increased the number of people renting out homes and apartments. The demand for sho

by tmuir 11y ago

No contortion of logic allows you to escape the fact that Airbnb has vastly increased the number of people renting out homes and apartments. The demand for short term vacation rentals certainly existed previously. Airbnb lowered the barriers to entry for a huge volume of new supply, private primary residences. The short term residential rental market simply did not exist at anything close to the current volume before Airbnb. It is an undeniable cause and effect relationship. So saying that blaming Airbnb for problems stemming from short term residential rentals is "shooting the messenger" is more than a little intellectually dishonest.

fredkbloggs 11y ago
I'm not contorting anything. I'm saying that whether there are 50 or 5 million short-term rentals is irrelevant, and you should stop looking for a convenient corporation to attack and start solving a problem that existed long before it was founded... and will exist long after it perishes.
- tmuir 11y ago
  You are being willfully ignorant of basic logic. The high number of short term residential rentals _is the problem_. Airbnb exclusively facilitated the overwhelming majority of these short term rentals. Ergo, Airbnb created this problem. Due to the nature of cause and effect, the problem did not exist before it was created by Airbnb. Being the creator of the problem makes them the correct entity to attack.
  - fredkbloggs 11y ago
    We'll have to agree to disagree. To me, bad neighbor behavior is the problem, and I've seen nothing here to make me change my mind.
    - tmuir 11y ago
      If one of your neighbors is renting their house short term on a regular basis, you all of the sudden have a constant flow of new neighbors. The larger pool of neighbors increases the likelihood of bad neighbors. If other permanent neighbors see the original neighbor is doing good business, they may start renting their house out, further increasing your likelihood of bad neighbors. I realize that minds are never changed this far down a comment chain, but certainly you have to appreciate that Airbnb increases the cumulative number of people in areas where there service is used. Given a normal distribution of people, increased numbers of people results in increased numbers of bad actors.

by tmuir 11y ago

fredkbloggs 11y ago

I'm not contorting anything. I'm saying that whether there are 50 or 5 million short-term rentals is irrelevant, and you should stop looking for a convenient corporation to attack and start solving a problem that existed long before it was founded... and will exist long after it perishes.

tmuir 11y ago
You are being willfully ignorant of basic logic. The high number of short term residential rentals _is the problem_. Airbnb exclusively facilitated the overwhelming majority of these short term rentals. Ergo, Airbnb created this problem. Due to the nature of cause and effect, the problem did not exist before it was created by Airbnb. Being the creator of the problem makes them the correct entity to attack.
- fredkbloggs 11y ago
  We'll have to agree to disagree. To me, bad neighbor behavior is the problem, and I've seen nothing here to make me change my mind.
  - tmuir 11y ago
    If one of your neighbors is renting their house short term on a regular basis, you all of the sudden have a constant flow of new neighbors. The larger pool of neighbors increases the likelihood of bad neighbors. If other permanent neighbors see the original neighbor is doing good business, they may start renting their house out, further increasing your likelihood of bad neighbors. I realize that minds are never changed this far down a comment chain, but certainly you have to appreciate that Airbnb increases the cumulative number of people in areas where there service is used. Given a normal distribution of people, increased numbers of people results in increased numbers of bad actors.